Re: OT who said this ?

Robert Allison wrote:
Lone Haranguer wrote:

Robert Allison wrote:

Lone Haranguer wrote:

Robert Allison wrote:


And a lot of it is just luck. Or poor planning. I am ready to
work on the school systems to include more classes on planning
everything from marriage to budgeting. I see a lack of that in
the curriculum. That would probably help alot in the long run.






So why aren't parents doing it? The single parent families caused
by AFDC aren't educated themselves and don't want their children to
be smarter than they are.

Ask any big city teacher how much respect their students have for
the learning process.





From what I gather, the problem seems to be; big cities in the north.
Maybe we should get rid of them.





Maybe you should educate yourself?

http://www.cppp.org/category.php

try (07/25/2007)




Texas has the highest teen birth rate in the nation (63 births per 1,000
females ages 15-19) according to the KIDS COUNT Data Book, a national
state-by-state report released today by the Annie E. Casey Foundation.




Our men are very virile.



And can't afford condoms.


None large enough.


They're putting them on the wrong head.

They don't fit on the small one up on the neck, either.

You tried that, huh?

The Texas Dropout Crisis: Magnitude and Impact (01/23/2007)
KIDS COUNT Director, Frances Deviney, Ph.D. briefed legislative staff on the costs of the Texas dropout crisis.

November 17, 2006

While conditions for teens have improved in Texas, teens statewide are significantly more likely to have sex, drink alcohol, drive drunk, or ride with a drunk driver than teens in other states, according to data compiled in The State of Texas Children 2006.

National Report: Poverty on the Rise in Texas (06/27/2006)
The percentage of kids living in poverty in Texas has increased by 5 percent since 2000.
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Hmmmnnn! Looks like things were better when Bush was governor.




Yeah, we have a very weak governor in this state, so he wasn't able to do as much damage then as he has now as president. It is a national trend.



As Bruce pointed out, that is another falsehood. Nationally the trend is down but those Texas figures were from just last year....

Has to do with the very unsuccessful "abstinence

only" program that the republicans provided us with. Working like a charm, isn't it?



And the drugstores and gas stations no longer sell condoms for those who laugh at abstinence?


Sure they do, but I think that the problem is that all of them are made in China, now, and you know how reliable things from China are.


Then wear doubles.

No need.

Then live with the consequences and stop asking for others to bail you out of poor decisions.

Is that the best you can do? You lied about the problem being in northern cities when your own state is at the bottom. If everyone sticks their head in the sand like you do, the problems will never be addressed.



I don't lie.



What do you call a deliberate misstatement of fact?


A lie.


And that is what you did when you said it was just northern cities that had those problems.

So you lied when you said northern cities had all those problems? Cause what you described is much worse than it is down here. Were you lying?

Nope. The problems are there but yours are worse. You're probably in denial as you are with so many other facts.

That is just your misconceptions mystifying your

perception of the false dichotomy that exists in your mind.



Translation: Robert was caught lying.



No, you are lying about that.


The proof is above.

Lies aren't proof.

The words you typed are there. That's the proof.

I am actively working on the problem. What are you doing?



Pointing out to you that lying about it or saying you have no problem in your area is not working.


You're lying.


The proof is above.

More lies.

Let the readers decide after they read your words.

And what other forces were at work in their lives? Perhaps the
ones that have to resort ot AFDC are already disillusioned and
the ones that didn't weren't? Your study is a means to
promulgate an idealogy and nothing more. Anyone that concludes
that a program CAUSES single mothers is not objective.
Unprotected sex is the cause of single mothers, no sex education
is a cause of single mothers, peer pressure is the cause of
single mothers. But not a government program.






Ignorance speaking. The rise in illegitimate births correlates perfectly with the advent of AFDC.





Did you know that every single heroin addict in the US drank milk as
a child? If we were to prohibit milk, it would get rid of heroin
abuse, completely.





Not true. Many children are lactose intolerant. It's more pronounced in some ethnic groups than others.




No, it is true. Every one. The lactose intolerant ones never became addicts. It is the milk that does it.




So milk made you a moron and a heroin addict? I understand morons thrived on milk in their early years.



Never did care for heroin. Must not have drunk enough milk as a baby.



And your brain cells failed to develop as a result.


They developed, but they are abnormal, I am told.


Fried on booze and various drugs, huh?

Not enough milk.

Then you should have suffered from Rickets.

I somehow have an

uncanny ability to spot bull*** when I hear or see it.


Then you should stop shoveling it.

I have to get your posts out of the way, so I can post mine.

Mostly denying facts.

The doctors say

that that is very rare. Other than that, I am fine.


But your brain is defective...

But still better than yours.

If that were true you wouldn't have your lengthy criminal record.

Or be homeless. That would be good. Throw the baby out with the
bath water is not my idea of the way to get rid of the abusers
in a system.






Fatheads who create these programs also create the opportunity for
abusers. Think about that.





Hang on, I have to write this down. Where is my list? Oh, here it
is, ok. Socialist, scumbag, liberal, dirtbag, and fatheads. I am
trying to keep a list of the insults, and I don't want to miss one.





Is your access to insults so limited?




I am not around very many people that have to resort to them.




They must work for you and are afraid to speak their mind.



Not exactly,.... They are just intelligent and don't need them.



If they were intelligent, they wouldn't be in your employ.


Liar!


They'd start their own business or become managers instead of working in the heat and humidity.

We're tough. It doesn't even bother us.

Proof of lack of intelligence.

And the people that created the army created the opportunity for
deserters.





The government was given the task of providing for the national defense. It's in the Constitution.




But if a program has the possibility of causing harm we should disband it. That is what you say about welfare.




It's not in the Constitution. The proof that welfare programs are failures is available in every county welfare office.



Neither is the internet.



I didn't know the welfare office ran the internet.


Now you know.


Actually the average welfare office worker fought use of computers because they thought computers might replace them. This is straight from a welfare office manager in a large county office.

Some of them need to be replaced by something.

All they need is a soft head like yours and bonding with welfare recipients.

The proof about welfare programs are in the

ones that have become productive and self reliant from the help and training that they got from it.



Many folks did it on their own so obviously the welfare office isn't needed to make people productive and self reliant. It's a crutch.


More like a helping hand. But it can be a crutch. At least it could be before the Welfare Reform Act.


Obviously you wish the old days were back.

The old days are not what they used to be.

Worse.

OTOH, the desertion rate is VERY low. We no longer have the draft, ya know.



But still possible. We should not have the military because it provides the opportunity for people to be bad! Your reasoning sucks doesn't it?



Yours certainly does. As I pointed out the Constitution calls for Congress to provide for national defense. Providing a welfare office for freeloaders isn't covered. Rave about the "general welfare" all you want, it means the nation as a whole, not those trying to get by without working.


And yet, we have it and the supreme court has not said that we can't. Doesn't that just piss you off?


We kept Japanese in holding camps too with the approval of the USSC.
We later regretted it.

And you should have regretted it.

But FDR issued his executive order and the USSC backed him up.

What the heck is a party ***?







A *** put on the BB where people could sign up for parties so
the hosts would know how much beer to plan on selling.
Thursday night was party night because many students left for
their homes after Friday classes.

Some students made money by holding these parties.







You have managed to surround yourself with a whole lot of bad people. I seem to be just the opposite. I have very few like
that around me and when I discover that they are that way, they
aren't around me anymore.






You mean I shouldn't have taken college courses because these bad people were also enrolled there?

You get further out in cuckoosville with every post.





Maybe you are picking the wrong colleges. Mine sure wasn't like
that.





It offered the courses I wanted to take.




I forget that I am within 15 miles of over 20 different universities or colleges. I tend to think that that opportunity is universal. I should know better.




True.


And it is Georgetown. And still in the same place. Actually, the
city is getting closer and closer to where I am out in the sticks, so
in actuality, I am getting farther IN without even moving.

Then show us yours that prove what a boon AFDC has been to
society.






Current ones may be difficult to find, since the AFDC program
ended with welfare reform. But I can find articles about the
welfare reform program that are success stories if you would
rather have those. Would 50 be enough? How about a 100?

How many will it take to change your mind?






Millions wouldn't balance out the number of lives ruined by the
AFDC program.





That is what I thought. You just wanted to send me on a wild goose chase that wouldn't change anything, anyway! I knew it.





You simply can't find the number of success stories to match the number of lives ruined. Generations not yet born will be affected.




No point in trying, then. You know, you could say the same thing about the enlisted men sent to Iraq.




Theirs was a career choice. They earn their money. Welfare recipients don't.



And the people that were working for Enron?



Screwed by a bunch of crooks. Time to look for a new job.


Yep. Hope they find one. Their unemployment benefits are running out. Did you know that Enrons collapse and its lack of funds means that the federal government is having to pay the unemployment benefits instead of Enron? It is all coming out of your pocket.


Does the same apply to Global Crossing?

At least this administration put the Enron crooks in jail. The Clinton administration just solicited donations in exchange for looking the other way. The DNC chairman looted $18 million out of Global Crossing and then sold out before it went belly up.

Nothing happened to him.

Investing is a criminal act? I thought you were a free market guy?

The way he did is. He used his connections as chairman of the DNC to get inside information. How many free market guys do you know who parlayed $100K into $18 million in a short time span and then sold out just before a company went into bankruptcy?

Are you saying it was pure luck like Hillary's cattle futures?

Was their career choice

their fault?



Maybe.

You know what a lot of them are doing now, don't you?

Looking for jobs. Some may even be on welfare.



Could be. Never put all your eggs in one basket. Those who worked for Global Crossing fared no better after the former DNC chairman (Terry McAuliffe) looted $18 million from the company and it went belly up.


I thought that investing in a company when it is just starting by buying stocks, then waiting for the stock to rise, then selling the stock when it is high was just capitalism. I did not know that you thought that stock market investment was looting! I thought you were a capitalist free market guy! Who knew?


The $18 million was the money of other investors. The stock value when he sold was based on faked information, just like the crooks at Enron. They also tried to totally bail out before the collapse but the law actually did something.

The eighteen mil was what his stock was worth when he sold it two years before the collapse. What a criminal! Selling his stock for what it was worth. And I thought you were all for capitalism.

They were doing the same thing the Enron crooks were. Hiding debt so the company looked a lot more prosperous than it really was.

Strange how Democrats always recall Enron but have amnesia when it comes to Global Crossing and their party chairman.

At least the Enron bigwigs went to jail. McAuliffe was protected by his Democratic pals (as usual).


They must have protected Bushs father, too, because he did exactly the same thing.

See how inclusive the democrats are? They not only protect

their own, they also protect the republicans.


Probably the Democrats had money invested in the same scheme..

Let me tell you the secret scheme. Buy low, sell high. Shhhhh! Don't tell anyone!

Isn't that the way it was? Democrats were deep in the S&L swindles. Ask the Clintons.

Absolutely. Around here, if you have friends and family, you are
not likely to get into a situation where you would need any help
other than them. But if you are alone, it could be the only
place to turn. I volunteer for a local charity organization that
has a food pantry and clothing store, etc. called "The Caring
Place". It was established by area churches to help with those
who are less fortunate because there was no other organization in
the area (Williamson County). They have the ability to give
short term help in the form of food and clothing, perhaps a
temporary place to stay, maybe a little cash. Sometimes, that is
all that is needed.

Sometimes, a longer term commitment for help is in order. When
that is the case, the personnel there help the person or families
apply for government assistance so that they can have the time to
get back on their feet. It is not an easy task to do that,
especially without any help. The ones that I see come through
that organization are the ones that I base my judgements on. I
don't see many freeloaders coming through. Just people in
trouble. I am not going to make any judgements about how they
got that way, just that they need help. But they don't seem to be
freeloaders. They are genuinely in need of help.






One of my daughters in law has worked nearly 30 years in a big city
welfare office. I know all about the system, how it works, its failures and the few successes. Many of her reform recommendation
have been adopted.





An expert on the system that doesn't know the difference between a progressive tax and a regressive tax. No wonder those big cities are
in so much trouble.



Obviously you have your own definition. And remember those big cities were in Texas, not up north as you claimed.



You are a coward for not speaking out about the injustices at Waco.




OK, I will speak out now. I think that those police officers should have been given far more recognition for the hard work they did at Waco. And then they had to watch helplessly while those fanatics committed suicide. Satisfied?




They know better. I wouldn't want to bear their burden of guilt, especially after 168 people died at OK City because of their acts.

So they can add those to the 80 odd people they murdered at Waco. Pleasant dreams.



They may not sleep as well as they used to, but I am sure it is not from guilt.



It's from guilt. They had many opportunities to act other than the path they chose but they consistently chose the path of murder for revenge.

So McVeigh showed them the fruits of the seeds they planted.


Do you like Charles Manson, too?


He was in jail when the Waco massacre occurred.

So you are a follower of his!

You were probably one of his *** boys during your prison days. I don't see much difference between you and Manson.

How about Richard Speck?

And Mr Speck, too!

Not at Waco either.

How do you

feel about OJ?


As guilty as the ATF and FBI but at least there was a trial.

So you think he was innocent?

I guess you don't read well. When were the ATF and FBI tried and found not guilty?

And reports show that cities in Texas have far greater problems than those in Minnesota.




Reports can be misleading. If it is worse here than there, then I cannot see what the hell you would be complaining so much about. Things are pretty damned good here.




Especially if you deny what's happening all around you. LOL...

I always tried to do more than what was expected of me, not less. You, OTOH are just a plodding sheep, satisfied with the status quo.



Hardly a sheep. I do plenty.



And make things worse from what I can learn.


What have you learned that I made worse?


Encouraging illegal aliens to remain in the U.S. by providing them illegal jobs.

You say that like it is a bad thing.

Criminal, according to federal law.

But what would a criminal care about breaking laws?

It's a vocation.


I just work toward goals that are geared

more towards reality.



More welfare? More taxes to put more people on welfare? Some goals.


Just the opposite, but I do it with actions rather than just words. The words are just for fun.


So if I call the Georgetown food kitchens I will hear about all the time you spend there? Is this a guilt trip for being a criminal?

http://www.caringplacegeorgetown.com/

Why would you think that helping a charity would be a guilt trip?

Making up for your costs to society as a loser.

You would be surprised how much you can

accomplish if you work on things that have a basis in the real world.



Your remarks about northern cities being the ones with problems showed your connection to the real world is rather tenuous.


So you were lying again when you told me how bad it was up there?


Not at all. I mentioned the problems that still exist. You started the lying by saying how much better things were in Texas. Unfortunately for you, I backed up my statements with facts, something you shy away from.

Your description of how it is up there is much worse than it is down here, since I know how it is down here, then if the statistics say it is worse than there, you have to be lying.

Nope. The statistics showed where Texas stands in national rankings. Yours are just worse than the cities I described in northern states.

How is that campaign against the Clintons going, anyhow?



Keeps me out of the bars and gambling casinos.


You would be better off addicted to crack than campaigning against the Clintons.


Is this experience speaking?

Crack wasn't around when I was using drugs. But I have seen a few crackheads. They were in better shape than you are, so....

That's one crackhead judging another so we can't trust it.
Just as we can't trust a career criminal like yourself to be neutral about other criminals.

Criminals stick together.

Criminals usually support other criminals. The "no snitch" rule.

Been listening to rap music?

Just a discussion about criminals in general. You weren't mentioned though.

Spent any time in jail yet?


Yes.


I suspected that.

Just ask, I'll tell you. No need to sit around suspecting. But,...that is what you do.


Yep. I'm well known for my ability to read character.

Can you swim?



Like a rock.


Probably wouldn't be a good career choice for you then. But it sure does provide a good cash flow. The guy that I worked for back then made about 22 million dollars a year by my calculations. He did have to spend 2 years in prison, though.


Did he have it all stashed for when he came out?

Well, he now owns quite a bit of land down in Mexico. And a few homes. And a few airplanes. And a yacht. And a few cars. At least he did last time I saw him. He could be back in prison for all I know.

He was some capitalist.


I'm surprised you didn't stay in the business. Or were those illegals you hired carrying more than their clothes when they crossed from Mexico?

Being shot at by the federales can change the way you feel about things.

Ah! Good thing you didn't volunteer for my field in the AF.

I am not worried about my

accomplishments and what I have contributed. Let someone else
tell you. I am proud of it, though, just hope I have enough time
to do more.






Sounds to me like you already wasted a good share of your life
being a bum. You got a late start.





I only spent about 6 months as a bum and that was the months between
the last two years of high school when most people are bums.





Not most people I know. I held jobs immediately after graduation and still was only 17 when I joined the Air Force.




Only after graduation? Jesus, my father took me down and got me a regular job before school when I was a sophomore! Our school was the largest high school in the US when I was a sophomore. They had too many students for the space, so they split the day into two sessions. 6;00 AM til 1;00 PM for the juniors and seniors and 12;00 noon til 7;00 PM for freshmen and sophomores. My dad got me a job as a helper on an apartment complex at the corner of Paredes Line Road and FM 802 in Brownsville. It was called the Borders Apts. and I believe it is still there. That is where I learned spanish. At first I was mad about having to work, but it got me out of my old job which was mowing lawns and a paper route. The construction job was much easier than mowing those lawns. Remember this was in Brownsville, TX. Hotter than hell. All year.

I had started mowing lawns when I was 12. After a year, I had earned enough to buy a riding mower and my parents called down to the city police and I got a permit (handwritten) to allow me to drive the riding mower on city streets, but ONLY to and from the jobs. I was doing about 15 lawns a month by myself. And that was edging with a machete! There were no weedeaters back then. I did not rake though. Every one of my customers knew right up front that I did not rake and they were OK with that except for this one old lady that lived two houses down that would not pay me until I raked. It was a small yard, but I just hated doing that one because I had to rake it up. I hated raking for some reason. I don't mind it now.

My paper route was a weekly most of the time, so saturday mornings I would have to go and do that, early. I got up a circulation of around 75 papers at my peak. I had a daily route for awhile, but that only lasted about 2 months if I remember correctly. That was along time ago. I was only 10 or 11 then.

During that time, my father would get side work when he wasn't working at the port. I would also help him with those and if I got paid for it, I don't remember it.

I remember the first time that I had to help on a real project. I was probably 5 or 6. My dad was building a workshop and since we were pretty poor, my dad would collect bent nails and put them in a bucket. When he was getting ready to start that workshop, he brought me outside and gave me a six inch long piece of railroad rail and a ball peen hammer. I had to sit there with a five gallon bucket of bent nails and straighten them out, then sort them into the different sizes. When I had a few handfuls done, they would come and get them. If they bent any when they were building, they would pick them up and bring them over to put back in the bucket for me to staighten again.

I have worked my whole life.




Even when you stayed in homeless shelters? I didn't count part-time jobs or summer jobs when I mentioned "after graduation".



I have only spent maybe 5 nights in homeless shelters. I could always find a place to stay with friends or even strangers. You had to move around alot so as not to wear out your welcome, but I was pretty well liked and I helped out wherever I was, so I was usually welcome for a night or two.

The homeless shelters kick you out early, but I would be gone by then to get to the Manpower office. You miss breakfast that way, but in NO it was always grits. I never have really liked grits and I am not a big breakfast person.

rest of the time I have held down full time jobs. But I could have
done it better than I did, you are right about that. If only we had
known what we know now, back then.


Read his book. Among other things, he worked at a community
center for the underprivileged in Chicago, did work as a civil
rights lawyer, was a state senator in Illinois for eight years.
If you are interested, when I get through with my research, I
will pass it all on to you.






Please. No self-serving biographies of someone running for
political office.





I didn't think you were really interested. Just looking for an
opening.





If I want to read fiction, I prefer spy mysteries.




I wasn't talking about fiction.




Biographies are fiction if the source is where the information came from.

Ask Kerry.



Kerry who?



John the gigolo Kerry.


Never heard of him. But I don't hang out with gigolos much.


Good thing he didn't get elected president then.

He was running for president? What a coincidence. There was another guy named John Kerry that was running for president. I voted for him. How did your friend, the gigolo, do?

Do what? You mean Kerry? He lost of course. He's a loser like you.
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