Re: OT who said this ?

Nate wrote:


"Robert Allison" <rimshot27@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:sqXHi.4259$Bm1.2530@xxxxxxxxxxx

Al Balmer wrote:

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:21:07 GMT, Robert Allison
<rimshot27@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Not always, apparently. I didn't know Libertarians were into
socialism.


Define socialism.



Take from the rich and give to the poor (one aspect.) What Hillary was
espousing in the Snopes article. It was amusing that Snopes thought it
was OK because she was proposing to take the money from rich
Democrats.


I thought that was Robin Hood. I thought that as a nation, we mutually agreed that some things were better done as a whole instead of individually. Therefore, taxation was instituted to pay for the things that gov't does.

That is the taking part.

The gov't then does what it does, such as provide for our common defense, move the mail, educate the kids, build roads.
War was the first thing the gov't. did with tax money. (And I am speaking here about the federal income tax.)

That is the giving part.

We all give, we all take, some more than others.

Using your definition, if taking from the rich and giving to the poor is socialism, then what is the system we have now called (taking from the middle class and giving to the rich)?

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Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX


And what ever happened to taxation by representation?

That is a mistake on your part. The issue with that was; no taxation without representation. The colonists felt they had no say in the government in England and did not think that they should be taxed without being representated in the government. No voice to protest the taxes.

How about a fair tax...where each person pays according to what he uses?

I haven't studied the fair tax. I will look into it.

How about a level tax...not according to what you make...just a flat tax? You live in our country and this is what it cost to live here.

Regressive.

There are all sorts of ways to tax the people of a nation. Is one way more fair than another? That depends on which class you're asking at the time.

I don't mind being taxed. I am willing to pay for services. I don't like taxes that simply promote a policy. And I thought that we did not have classes in the US?

What bothers me about socialism is what they end up doing with the tax money. Giving my money to the poor just so they can remain poor and be comfortable doing so seems a bit ridiculous to me. And this whole national healthcare crisis is a sham. People have been surviving for centuries without health insurance. It is a way of life for some people. But Hillary Clinton believes everyone should have what she has and she thinks it's OK to use my money to give them what I have worked my ass of for. Bull ***! Socialism only benefits the lazy *** poor class and the government that supports them. It doesn't benefit me in any way...therefore...I am against it.

A whole lot of points in that paragraph. I am not sure that you understand what socialism really is. Perhaps you could give YOUR definition of it.

Under socialism, there is no tax money. Everything belongs to the state. You work and the state gives you what it thinks you need. Tax free society.

I am not sure who is running on the socialist ticket. There are alot of people that have a distinctly incorrect view of what socialism actually is. The term is thrown around like a frisbee. See my other posts on this subject for more information.

Although Hillary is called a socialist, she actually isn't. Unless she is calling for the abolition of private property and the abolition of the accumulation of wealth, she would be laughed out of the socialist party.

As far as health care goes, if a health care system existed which saved you money, would you be for that?

You're free to disagree with my assessment. But I own that assessment and it won't go away.

Nate

I can't disagree with it because I am not sure that I understand it.

What the hell is everyone so mad about?

Isn't this just a discussion? I don't think anything is going to be written into law here. Settle down. We are just talking.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX
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