Re: OT - More Possible GW Indicators

On Sep 11, 7:11?pm, "Kevin W. Miller" <i09172strudelyahoo.com> wrote:
Innews:1189552449.000459.159580@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
JanOrm...@xxxxxxx <JanOrm...@xxxxxxx> typed:



On Sep 11, 3:01 pm, Lone Haranguer <lin...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Kevin W. Miller wrote:
Kevin W. Miller wrote:
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And:

"Warming May Be Hurting Gray Whales' Recovery"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/10/AR200...

NOAA REPORTS LA NI A IS DEVELOPING
Scientists with NOAA's Climate Prediction Center, in today's release
of its monthly El Ni o/Southern Oscillation (ENSO) Diagnostic
Discussion,
say that La Ni a is on its way. "While we can't officially call it a
La Ni a yet, we expect that this pattern will continue to develop
during
the next three months, meeting the NOAA definition for a La Ni a
event later this year," said Mike Halpert, acting deputy director of
the
Climate Prediction Center in Camp Springs, Md. NOAA declares the
onset
of a La Ni a event when the three-month average sea-surface
temperature departure exceeds -0.5 degrees Celsius (-0.9 degrees
Fahrenheit) in the east-central equatorial Pacific.
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Darn! Even with global warming we can't keep the Pacific from
cooling off. LZ
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WHAT????

You mean that "Climate Change" actually means
that the Climate ....Changes from time to time or
as time marches on?

ZOUNDS!

Will the sky fall on us or will the climate continue
to change as it has for eons?

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And for how many of those eons was Man around?

--
Kevin W. Miller
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"Man" that has done anything that the Goreists
claim has been here for a blink. But the earth
has been warming and cooling in 1500 year
cycles for the eons, Kevin. And will continue
to do so while "Man" is still here and after "Man"
is gone. Gore, you and me will have no influence
on that. Even with all of the hot air from the bloated
windbag.

So.....as mentioned before. The debate will ebb
and flow. Each side counting science heads. But,
funny thing about the Gore side and his fawning
media. They always say that ALL science is on
their side. And that Sir, is a lie.

Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds
Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made
Global Warming Fears
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,176495.shtml
(Be sure to read the comments after the article)
WASHINGTON, Sept. 12 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A new analysis of
peer-reviewed literature reveals that more than 500 scientists have
published evidence refuting at least one element of current man-made
global warming scares. More than 300 of the scientists found evidence
that 1) a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more
than a dozen global warmings similar to ours since the last Ice Age
and/or that 2) our Modern Warming is linked strongly to variations in
the sun's irradiance. "This data and the list of scientists make a
mockery of recent claims that a scientific consensus blames humans as
the primary cause of global temperature increases since 1850," said
Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery.
Other researchers found evidence that 3) sea levels are failing to
rise importantly; 4) that our storms and droughts are becoming fewer
and milder with this warming as they did during previous global
warmings; 5) that human deaths will be reduced with warming because
cold kills twice as many people as heat; and 6) that corals, trees,
birds, mammals, and butterflies are adapting well to the routine
reality of changing climate.

Despite being published in such journals such as Science, Nature and
Geophysical Review Letters, these scientists have gotten little media
attention. "Not all of these researchers would describe themselves as
global warming skeptics," said Avery, "but the evidence in their
studies is there for all to see."

The names were compiled by Avery and climate physicist S. Fred Singer,
the co-authors of the new book Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500
Years, mainly from the peer-reviewed studies cited in their book. The
researchers' specialties include tree rings, sea levels, stalagmites,
lichens, pollen, plankton, insects, public health, Chinese history and
astrophysics.

"We have had a Greenhouse Theory with no evidence to support it-
except a moderate warming turned into a scare by computer models whose
results have never been verified with real-world events," said co-
author Singer. "On the other hand, we have compelling evidence of a
real-world climate cycle averaging 1470 years (plus or minus 500)
running through the last million years of history. The climate cycle
has above all been moderate, and the trees, bears, birds, and humans
have quietly adapted."

"Two thousand years of published human histories say that the warm
periods were good for people," says Avery. "It was the harsh, unstable
Dark Ages and Little Ice Age that brought bigger storms, untimely
frost, widespread famine and plagues of disease." "There may have
been a consensus of guesses among climate model-builders," says
Singer. "However, the models only reflect the warming, not its cause."
He noted that about 70 percent of the earth's post-1850 warming came
before 1940, and thus was probably not caused by human-emitted
greenhouse gases. The net post-1940 warming totals only a tiny 0.2
degrees C.

The historic evidence of the natural cycle includes the 5000-year
record of Nile floods, 1st-century Roman wine production in Britain,
and thousands of museum paintings that portrayed sunnier skies during
the Medieval Warming and more cloudiness during the Little Ice Age.
The physical evidence comes from oxygen isotopes, beryllium ions, tiny
sea and pollen fossils, and ancient tree rings. The evidence recovered
from ice cores, sea and lake sediments, cave stalagmites and glaciers
has been analyzed by electron microscopes, satellites, and computers.
Temperatures during the Medieval Warming Period on California's
Whitewing Mountain must have been 3.2 degrees warmer than today, says
Constance Millar of the U.S. Forest Service, based on her study of
seven species of relict trees that grew above today's tree line.
Singer emphasized, "Humans have known since the invention of the
telescope that the earth's climate variations were linked to the
sunspot cycle, but we had not understood how. Recent experiments have
demonstrated that more or fewer cosmic rays hitting the earth create
more or fewer of the low, cooling clouds that deflect solar heat back
into space-amplifying small variations in the intensity of the sun.
Avery and Singer noted that there are hundreds of additional peer-
reviewed studies that have found cycle evidence, and that they will
publish additional researchers' names and studies. They also noted
that their book was funded by Wallace O. Sellers, a Hudson board
member, without any corporate contributions.

Petition Project
(19,000 scietists signed this petition)
Global Warming Petition

We urge the United States government to reject the global warming
agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any
other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would
harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology,
and damage the health and welfare of mankind. There is no convincing
scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or
other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future,
cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of
the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific
evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many
beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of
the Earth.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

Diagnosing Al Gore: Truth in the Balance
http://sitewave.net/news/s49p1835.htm

Jan Eric Orme


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