Re: OT Liberals in politics

G'day "GBinNC" & all;

"GBinNC" <GBinNC@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Well, that's the rub, isn't it? Just what is it that should have been
done?

That's the reason we elect "leaders" -- to take all the information at
hand, consult with the brightest experts, and then come up with a
feasible solution to a problem.
Yeah! I'm with you right there. But you're ducking the question. You can
not rationally oppose the current actions without being able to propose an
alternative. Else you're just saying that you have no clue! But, that not
withstanding, you're sure that what is being done is wrong. If you're gonna
diss somebody's idea, you've at least got to be able to form a cogent,
alternative concept.

Maybe you think GB should have done this: "<'Clang!'...as the cell-door
opens.> Hey, Saddam, old bean <GB, shaking his hand>, how's things?
Here,
let me get you a clean suit, and here's your gun back. My guys will show
you back to your palace...sorry 'bout the mess. I'll have somebody get
right on it and get that statue put back up..." <As GB pats him on the
back, and escorts him out of his cell...>

Is that what you wanted? If not, then what? And when? Just before he
was
found in his spider-hole? After he'd been in jail a while? Just before
he
was executed?

I don't know what you're implying. I was glad to see Saddam captured and
was glad to see him hanged. Nobody in history has deserved it more for
all that cruelty and brutality.
Absolutely true, and we couldn't agree more. But how do you get to that
position? Certainly not by not doing anything. So, if something must be
done, WHEN do you say, "Aw shucks, folks! Stop the bombers, and all you
tank-drivers get back to base. We're goin' home..."? His capture and
demise came sometime after it was pretty firmly noted that the WMD's we'd
expected just weren't to be found. Did you think that the Iraqi's would
have done the deed if we'd not held a firm platform for them to stand upon?

While you may want it, you just can't have it both ways. The place was a
cancer with a fatal prognosis in the side of the world...and will continue
to be one as long as folks that want peace are afraid to use war to impose
it (the peace). Cuz absent some form of conflict, and through that the
coercion that comes with it, the Islamo-nutz simply WILL NOT stop making war
on us.

So, until and unless you can answer those critical questions, you have
absolutely NO standing to critique someone else's methods. You can carp
and
bitch all you want...only because you can. Trust me, nobody in any of the
AQ or Islamofascist controlled areas can do that...

I've voted in every election since I reached voting age. I can assure
you I have the right -- and the responsibility -- to criticize my
leaders and their methods. It's a part of my guaranteed rights.
No one is questioning either your rights or your opinion. Only that you
present some working idea (read: at least an outline of a concept proven in
actual practice somewhere) for how you think it should have been done.
Simply saying that our leaders were supposed to do that isn't the same as
saying, "Look! Here's my plan: ... And I know it'll work cuz it's been
done <note places in history where that--or a reasonably similar
concept--has worked>". Bowing to Hitler's aggression in the last century
doesn't seem to have worked to prevent WWII. Bugging out on the Vietnamese
didn't help much either. Got any better observations?

You and your littermates so desperately want us out of Iraq. Other
considerations (political) aside, why?

Because of the tragic waste of our young lives. Because of the
I agree! I'm 100,000,000% on your side in this! However, *they*
volunteered for that service and the inherent danger it entails. The folks
in the WTC, and the other two airliners, didn't! They died because those
that were supposed to be our leaders--were too busy trying to corral power
and took no action! Dying serendipitously at someone else's hand is
something that folks do when it's not actively prevented. Nobody wants our
young service men & women people to die--least of all me. But absent
sending them there, in harms way, to do that foul task with all the bodily
risk that that entails, nobody--including you--has come up with a way to
make the bad-guys that wish us ill, to die spontaneously. And unless or
until we do, there's no way that those that wish us dead will desist.

incredible expense, using our grandchildren's money that we could work
miracles with here at home right now.
Surely true. But given the cost of 9/11 (in people & $$$'s) how many of
those would we have to endure before it's a wash? Are you saying you'd be
willing to live that way???

Do you really think that if we left all would be well?

Of course not. It will continue to be the hell that it is now. The main
difference is that we wouldn't be caught in the middle of something we
can't control, let alone cure.
There's some truth to that. I mean, what-the-hell. Let's just let 'em die
like we let the Vietnamese and Cambodians die. That would be "better",
right?

Do you really think that if we left all would be well?

Do you really think all is well over there now?
No, I don't. Do you see it getting "better" once we're gone? Could you
point out an example in which that's been the case?

Support the troops -- bring them home.
Support the troops--unleash them and let 'em do their jobs; and glass over
anyplace that gives the bad guys even an inkling of a safe-harbor. Then we
can bring 'em home...


L8r all,
Dusty -- on Camano Island...for the moment...
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