Re: 0T - FTL math on A Hotel Bill

Max wrote:
"Lon VanOstran" <RVnFT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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bill horne wrote:


I don't recall anyone saying that. Could you point me to the post?


No - there is no single post related to the train analogy being
used to somehow justify a 'logically' FTL object - it was a
discussion consisting of multiple posts. I suggest you look at the
_Original Claim_, then go through the discussion about trains -
paying particular attention when trains (or planes...or
bullets...or any other objects) are mentioned. Then get back to me.
Did I mention looking at the _Original Claim_? If not, I meant to -
it's absolutely critical to this entire FTL clusterfuck.


Why is it so critically important that everyone end up agreeing when
it seems so clear that everyone isn't even on the same page
regarding what was intended to be the original claim?

IMHO, the English language and people's understanding of it leaves
plenty of opportunity for a nitpicker to argue endlessly. Here, some
people can be left with the last word, and they'll keep pounding
away long after everyone has stopped arguing with them. What for?

Some times all of us, in an effort to simplify a point we are trying
to make, use bad examples. When that happens here, the bad example
becomes a point of derision taken up by many, while the original
point of contention gets lost in the detail. Will didn't try to
claim that bullets can travel faster than the speed of light, but
was simply trying to illustrate "relative speed," while pointing out
that ANY measurement of speed is relative, even our simple
measurements which are relative to the planet Earth, which is a
moving object in space. Some of us here don't fully understand Einstein's
theory of
relativity. So what? I'm not so sure that those who claim to
understand it do either. I don't understand ridiculing each other
over concepts that are so difficult to comprehend that the worlds
leading mathematicians are still arguing and refining them.

It will not be proven here, whether man can or can not eventually
travel faster than the speed of light. So far, nobody has been able
to point out one particular point in space that is not moving.
Without that, we can't even agree on a starting point.

Lon

You might be overlooking the fact that the speed of light is measured
through the medium of space itself. It is not measured "relative to
an object" (the emitter, etc) Its speed is neither additive not
subtractive to the speed of the emitter.
If a space ship is traveling at .9c, and emitting a beam of light
from the rear, the photons will travel through space at about
300,000kps. If a beam of light is emitted from the front of the space
ship, the
photons will travel at about 300,000kps. All electromagnetic
radiation travels at that speed. Communications with Martian probes
need to consider that constant (c) in order to accurately guide the
probe. http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/guidry/violence/lightspeed.html

Max (not that it has any terribly important significance for me)

Ya but how fast are the 15" knives in my planer revolving relative to the
speed of earth as it circles the Sun?

--
Frank Howell


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