Re: Vista and what do you think of it? VISTA SUX

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:09:52 GMT, "Nate"
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"Al Balmer" <albalmer@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:30:44 GMT, "Nate"
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Question - do you know offhand what the SMP limit is for Vista? It was
reportedly designed with SMP in mind from the start. I think
off-the-shelf Linux is limited to 8 processors.

I don't know the answer to this. I do recall a conversation with a Beta
user who said a patch could be applied to run 4 core processors. I am
running two dual core. Is that the same as 4 processors? 2 Virtual
processors x 2 ? Or is a core processor not a virtual dual? I had a nasty
time with hyperthreading on my HP Laptop and XP Pro...but no problems at all
with 2 core 2s on Vista.

<G> Now, I'm spending too much time - the more interesting the dialog,
the more time it takes. The information seems remarkably hard to find.
It may be in the product guide at
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bbc16ebf-4823-4a12-afe1-5b40b2ad3725&DisplayLang=en

but it's a 65 MB Word 2007 or 25MB XPS doc, and I can't read either on
my office machine. I did find a year-old document saying that Ultimate
or Business would be able to handle "two physical processors", which I
find a bit puzzling. It's been a long time since I was in the
operating system design field, but I would expect that the system
would care only about the number of processing cores, not the number
of chips. There are differences, of course, like shared caches, but I
would have expected that to be invisible to the OS. Looks like I need
some catch-up education <g>.

I heard talk that the Ultimate could do 8 processors but I can't find
anything to back that up. I am at work right now and I don't have access to
my Vista machine...but you can bet I'll be up all night looking into how
many processors I can run now that you brought this up. I was thinking of
adding more ram but now you got me thinking of more processors.
Damitalltohell! The wife is going to be pissed!

Of course, you'll need more ram to take advantage of more processors.
Then it probably won't be long before the 4-core chips are available.
Why mess around? Get an HP 64-way Itanium Superdome, and let Windows
just handle as many as it knows how to. Incidentally, running Linux,
HP reports nearly 100% scalability - 64 processors do nearly 64 times
as much work as 1. Impressive. 277 gigaflops with 256GB RAM.

<snip>

I think Bill Gates thinks it's perfect...that's got to be why he is stepping
down from day to day operations...he thinks he's done now. LOL

That's why I could never be a billionaire - I'd step down after the
first ten million or so <g>.

Those who understand computers and have a need for this OS seem to love
it.

Unless they want to do something like delete or move a file.
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1358057&SiteID=17

I deleted a couple hundered files yesterday on my Vista machine.

Using the GUI? Do you have the hotfix? Command line file manipulations
aren't affected by the problem.

Yes...uising the GUI. There was no time lag whatsoever. It just deleted,
or moved, whatever I told it to.

Interesting. According to the reports, the problem isn't in the actual
copying, but in the dialog box that tells you how much time remains on
the copy.

<snip>


Actually, the people who dislike it most are those who *do* understand
computers, and know what the tradeoffs and alternatives are. The MITS
thinks it's pretty and cool, and will use it with no need to
"understand computers." In fact, one of Windows' long-term goals has
been to eliminate the need to understand computers.

Nice opinion. Can you support that with fact now?

What? That Microsoft has been trying to eliminate the need to
understand computers? I think that's obvious. Read their ads.

That's the one sentance I did not take issue with. But the rest of the
paragrpah?


That the people who know the tradeoffs and alternatives are more
critical than the Man In The Street? Why would they not be?

What about the segment between those two extremes. There are people who use
desktops who also know how to use desktop computers. It's not just the
brain dead, GUI driven - and the pocket protector, coke bottle glasses
computer geeks who work for NASA. There's a whole bunch of IT techies who
work in the desktop computing field too, ya know...

Point taken. There certainly is a continuum, but it seems to me to be
heavily weighted toward the brain dead <g>.


Windows is a consumer product. We all know that. A golf cart and a BMW
both have four wheels and a sterring system. They are both designed for
different jobs. Vista has it's audience. It is stable. I've beat the
hell
out of it and it keeps fighting back. I'm very good at breaking
computers.
This OS has chyallenged me. But...I have it installed on a system that
Vista is happy with...and that is the key to happiness in this OS.

Yes, Vista itself seems to be pretty stable. The problem reports are
application-related. It seems that even most games run well, and the
games are what really stress home operating systems. I've known a few
game programmers, and am in awe of some of the stuff they come up
with. Bleeding edge stuff. A sharp contrast to my own "safety at all
costs" background in process control.

<snip>

--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ
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