Re: OT Interesting dissection of the argument for torture

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:26:08 -0500, "Bob Hatch" <bobhatch@xxxxxx>
wrote:

>"Kevin W. Miller" <i09172strudelyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:T_6dnYhoEKe_0DneRVn-jA@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>Kevin, this is what Bill said, pay attention to it.
>
>>> Sometimes context means as much, or more, than what is actually said
>>>
>>> El Alumbrado
>>> "Civis Texanus Sum"
>>
>> That might be somewhat true for "Nazi" which seems to have a
>> functional meaning beyond it's use as an epithet and which is defined
>> (in part) at dictionary.com as:
>>
>> Na·zi <snipped pronunciation key>
>> n. pl. Na·zis
>> A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, founded in
>> Germany in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under Adolf Hitler.
>> often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of
>> Nazism; a fascist.
>>
>> adj.
>> Of, relating to, controlled by, or typical of the National Socialist
>> German Workers' Party.
>
>At the corner of Indolence Ave and 14th Street SW, in Washington DC, there
>is a large building. Several floors tall and maybe covers a half of a block.
>It's called the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. Take some time and travel
>there. You should plan about a half day to tour the place. Look at all of
>the pictures, the movies, and displays. There is a area that has a kind of
>tower with pictures from a small town in, I think it was Poland, but I don't
>remember. It was portraits done of individuals and Jewish families. All
>dead. All killed during the holocaust. All killed by Nazi's.
>
>Wander through the area where the display of shoes are, some of the millions
>taken from the piles of clothing left as the Jews and others were told to
>undress for their delousing showers. After the showers they didn't need
>shoes anymore, because they were all dead. All killed by Nazi's.
>
>Make sure you walk through the rail car that's on display there, then learn
>how the people were sorted as they came off the rail car. Two groups. Those
>that were to be worked to death, and those that were taken directly to
>execution. 6 million Jews. All dead. All killed by Nazi's.
>
>The day we were there they had a survivor sharing his experiences. He's the
>only one left of his family. The rest were killed by members of the National
>Socialist Workers Party. He still has the tattoo on his forearm, never had
>it removed. Says he leaves it there to remember, and to wonder every day,
>"why me, why did I survive".
>
>You might want to spend some time while you're there reading about the
>medical studies done on Jews. Interesting, in that very, very few survived.
>The rest are all dead. Killed by members of the National Socialist Workers
>Party.
>
>That word, "Nazi", when used the way Giddings used it was every bit as
>insulting and degrading as the other N word. Keep in mind that was Carl not
>born when Hitler came to power. He was about 5 years old when the US joined
>the war, and 9 when it ended, and because he posted something that Giddings
>disagreed with was told "Carl, you've come a long way to turn back into a
>Nazi now."
>
>Do you really think that Carl was a member of the National Socialist Workers
>Party at age 9?
>
>The word "Nazi", when tossed at a person just because you disagree, and just
>because they are German, is low, uncalled for, is just as disparaging as the
>other N word.
>
>The label "Nazi" carries a hell of a lot more with it than the dictionary
>definition, and to me, is every bit as offensive as the other N word.


Bob, I have no need to go to "Indolence Ave". I have been to
Auschwitz. I have looked into the ovens.

And I didn't know he was 9 years old. I don't know how old he
is. What I remembered was that he was in the War on the German
side, and fired on American troops.

Before you pull your knickers up around your shoulders, you might
want to actually read the first five or six posts I exchanged
with Carl. You will see that when he objected I gave him reasons
for comparing his way of thinking with the Nazis, and specific
examples to back it up. You will see that the context was state
sanctioned torture.

And you will see that he immediately and repeatedly started
spewing out the vilest sort of violent racist rhetoric. He
seemed quite comfortable with it.

I'm wasn't then and am not now going to back up an inch in the
face of that sort of trash.

I haven't been to modern Germany since the 70s, and it may be
that I was tone deaf to what passes these days for their rules of
polite conversation. Carl has lived here for 50 years or more,
but still hasn't caught on to ours.

Or maybe he has, and doesn't care.

At least I had a point to make. You can follow my reasoning if
you want to look. It's right there in print. If you don't want
to see it, nothing I can say will make you.

Suit yourself.


Bob

www.arcatapet.net/bobgiddings
.

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