Re: OT 2000 Year Old Record Shattered


"Dusty" <RV_phixer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Don Lampson" <DonLampson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Dusty
>> Your dissertation was so beautiful I nearly wept. I'll bet you could
>> make a fantastic purse out of a sow's ear too!
> Donno, never tried that. Although I've spent quite a bit of time trying
> to introduce leftists to reality...ain't worked so far...so you may well
> be wrong at that as well...(:-o)!
>
>> It's a bit late in the game for worrying about communists in 2005
> No. Not really. They're not dead, nor are they gone. When raw
> communism--as it was practiced in the Soviet Union--failed and got blown
> out of the water, they simply went underground. Today they've resurfaced
> as "progressives", "liberals", "socialists", and so on. They still want
> to socialize the world. Why would they want to do that? Easy. In order
> to ensure 'equality of outcome' (read: spread misery) as opposed to the
> 'inequality of outcome' that individual freedom promulgates. And secure
> for themselves the position of being able to dictate that outcome.
>
> You didn't think that all those eco-nutz and other activist leftist morons
> that try to get you out of your SUV, eat tofu instead of cow and hi-carb
> instead of hi-fat, prevent parents from inputting into their children's
> schooling, want to take away your guns (makes subjugation easier), bury
> Christmas, not use nukes, and not use force to prevent socialism from
> overtaking us; are going to stop doing that when you acquiesce to them.
> Do you? Cuz if you do, I've got a big orange bridge I can sell
> you--cheap--a couple of miles north of here...
>
>> isn't it? The problems of the world are now being caused by Islamic
> It might surprise you, but we agree here. But there's more. If you'll
> take a peek under the Burqua (so-to-speak), you'd have to ask yourself,
> what's an Islamic "cleric"? Ans: It's a self-appointed ruler or
> over-seer of others. Note that I said "self-appointed", not elected by
> their peers. That's how all totalitarian rulers, rule. They appoint
> themselves. Although that process is made considerably easier and more
> certain if you can get some folks, willing to be ruled by you, to follow
> you (read: coupe, like in military). And those would be, to borrow a term
> from the left's most revered leader (read: Joe Stalin); the "useful
> idiots".
>
> What the glitterati on the left never seem to grasp, is that one of the
> first things that "unkle Joe" did when he got into power, he had almost
> all of those that put him there killed. Cuz while he wuz an iron-hearted
> communist, he wasn't stupid. He knew who it wuz that got him to where he
> sat. And he damn well knew that they had to go...else he'd be looking
> over his shoulder day & night. Yet those feeble minds on the American
> left can't seem to grasp that little bit of historic irony. Oh well.
> They're just like the lady in that country song that found and nursed a
> snake back to health. And then got pissed-off (and died) when the snake
> bit her. Just like you leftists are gonna find out, the snake asked what
> had she expected? After all, he was a snake!
>
> While I'll grant you that SH wasn't an Islamist, he wasn't even
> particularly religious from what I've read, but he was a man that lived in
> that arena. He understood it. He was also ruthless and understood the
> dynamics of power (if you've bothered to read about his early life, you'd
> have known that). And in middle-eastern society, only power, and the
> willingness to use it matter. And whether that power comes from the
> barrel of a gun or the fiery words of the maggot that leads them in their
> excuse of a religion, the fear and intimidation that comes from them is
> equally potent.
>
> I've had to deal with those folks. I can tell you first hand that things
> as simple as common courtesy, honesty, and sticking to agreements are
> rarely accomplished even amongst or between themselves (unless family or
> tribe); with exactly zero reserved for "non-believers" (read:
> infidels--which is any non-Muslim). Mix in with that simplistic,
> ignorant, fearfully religious adherents, and an easily intimidated and led
> people; and you have a recipe for self-appointed rulers. They oppress
> their people by feeding on the mortal fears of their own making through
> the non-sense of religion. And through that control their masses. In the
> kind of tribal oriented life that those folks led a couple of millennia
> ago, that was possibly the best way to live. But in today's society, only
> democracies seem to be able to coexist alongside other democracies. No
> set of authoritarian rulers has managed that feat...yet.
>
>> militants, who hate communists just like they do us....
>> Face it, Bush & Co. don't have a clue about what they're doing.
> And you, with your wealth of diplomacy, and your long, strong, deep
> military background do? Or is it that you're just regurgitating things
> you've been told, sorta 'knee-jerk' style?
>
> Has everything been done in the best possible way? No. Of course not.
> Were there other, better ways? Easy to assert--especially when one has no
> responsibility to make it so, but hard to say with any certainty. No
> battle plan survives "first contact". Only the skill, ingenuity, and
> daring of the commanders and/or soldiers on scene can deal with those
> issues. All of us 'Monday-morning quarterbacks' don't know jack about
> what's happening. And most of what I see and hear from the MSM is mostly
> rife with bovine dung.
>
> The problem is; the American left has invested itself into the need for
> America to lose in this new world war against religious terrorism. They
> need us to lose in order for them to have any shred of political
> possibility left. And to that end, they'll turn over and cast any stone,
> twist and tell any lie, and predict any outcome that will make America
> look bad--realistic or not, in order that they may look better by
> comparison. They did it to me when I was in Vietnam. And they're doing
> exactly the same thing today. But this time, they don't have leftist
> infested communist inspired press to back up their shrill braying. So
> it's gonna be just a tad harder to make the American public swallow their
> crap.
>
>> Anyone can see that trying to kill "terrorists", while being a friend
>> to the "good Iraqis" isn't working.
> Well, we half agree on that. I'd restate it as: "Anyone can see that
> trying to kill "terrorists", while at the same time pretending to be a
> friend to the 'Saudis' isn't working."
>
> Between what you might refer to as "good Iraqis" as opposed to being "bad
> Iraqis", there's little gulf. But I do know that the Iraqis in general
> don't dislike us. And it's mostly jihadists from afar that are making the
> general Iraqis life (and ours over there) so hard. But then again, what
> can you expect from Islamists that were overwhelmingly from SA that flew
> those planes that infamous September day, 4-years past...
>
>> "They" say, "Hope is the last thing to go." Look at what's going on.
>> You can't fight a war and be "PC"! That's what's going on, like it
> We agree again. Completely, this time, I might add. I think that we (the
> "free" world et al) needs to address this issue directly and in spades.
> The war we are fighting is being waged as an extension of the crusades of
> yesteryear. It was, and continues to be today, a war between 2-different
> civilizations.
>
> It cannot be fought and won by proxy. And it cannot be won by giving in
> or appeasing--that will only hasten your defeat. It can only be won by
> convincing the MF'ers that follow that line of stupidity that we're going
> to hunt down and exterminate every last one of them. Cuz trust me, son,
> that's EXACTLY what they have in mind for you & me... But, unlike you and
> yours, they don't have the slightest qualms about doing that.
>
>> or not!
>> I wouldn't be surprised if Saddam gets off, just like O.J. did, if
> I don't think the Iraqi people are quite as stupid and caught up in PC as
> a California jury. But then again, I've been wrong before...
>
>> they ever get him tried, that is.....
>> All the Neocon dreams for Iraq are facing the light of day, and
>> turning into nightmares...... YMMV
> As it will indeed. It's clear that you've been suckling at the teat of
> stupidity for so long that nothing that's not falling over 'left' can
> stand the "light" of your scrutiny. What, you think that if us "neocons"
> leave Iraq, that when more of UBL's "screamin' meemies" come over here
> that they're gonna neatly sort you out and make sure only us "bad neocons"
> get killed? Sounds to me like you're stuck on stupid, and starting to
> like the taste of your party's kool-aid my friend...
>
> L8r all,
> Dusty
>
>> Don

Dusty:

I truly admire your efforts in clearing up the claptrap written by the prof
at Hebrew University. Your clarity of thought and understanding of the
problem(s) we face is truly remarkable and I concur with your analysis
100%. Sadly, however, I fear that when it comes to some folks in the NG and
most leftists here is the US, you are simply wasting your time. Their minds
are made up and the facts will only confuse 'em more.

Thanks again for the great rebuttal.

Semper Fi!

Mike

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