Re: Is denying the facts of 911/2001 as bad as denying theHolocaust?
- From: zookumar yelubandi <zookumar@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 04:22:01 GMT
Gistak wrote:
On 8/23/06 8:40 AM, in article h1YGg.14815$Ch.10995@clgrps13, "zookumar
yelubandi" <zookumar@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Answer to the subject (which I changed):
Nope.
Assuming that your version of the facts is the true one, denying that
version is in no way as bad as denying the holocaust, or as outrageous.
My version of the facts as I've discovered them, has been
rigored through objective filters. My version of the facts doesn't
require a theory, nor have I necessarily provided one. My version of
the facts is the FALSIFICATION of the government's conspiracy theory
(OBL and 19 Saudis, boxcutters, hijacked planes) based on observable,
contradictory evidence (e.g. WTC7's controlled demolition signature and
Larry Silverstein's confession).
My version of the facts of 911/2001 is less contentious than the
facts of the Holocaust. I do indeed believe that the Holocaust happened
and approximately 6 million Jews were exterminated; but if you ask me to
provide the objective evidence for the Holocaust, I wouldn't be as
cocksure about *that* evidence as I am about the evidence of 911/2001.
My gut feeling (given the available accounts of the Holocaust) is that
six million Jews is a good approximation of the number that perished.
There is no gut feeling, however, with regards to 911/2001.
911/2001 expostion is based on hard science: the laws of conservation of
energy and angular momentum; of kinematics, dynamics, elastic/inelastic
strain analysis; of video evidence of red hot molten metal in the tower
debris found months after the event; of chemical analysis of residue
found on steel retrieved from memorial parks that shows clear evidence
of thermate (sulfur added to thermite); of video evidence of WTC7's
collapse and Larry Silverstein's confession to controlled demolition
(here, firefighters had long ago vacated the building, so we know that
Silverstein could not have alluded to them when he made his infamous
"pull it" remark; also the phrase is a common one in controlled
demolition lingo); of pyroclastic debris clouds observed in WTC1 and
WTC2; of video evidence of demolition squibs observed on all three
collapsed highrises; of eyewitness accounts of loud explosions heard in
the basement of WTC1; of comparative evidence to WTC5 and the Madrid
building fire in February of 2005, two structures which endured more
intense fires and for longer duration than any of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7,
but which remained standing days after their respective events; etc.;
etc. And I haven't even broached the corroborating evidence such as
Odigo, Ptech, Urban Moving Systems, Five Dancing Israelis, put options,
air defense stand down orders, conflicting timelines in the official
account, Norman Mineta's testimony, etc.
The evidence for my version of the facts is voluminous and
irrefutable. Denying this evidence puts the deniers in the same or
worse category of self-deception and/or delusion than those of Holocaust
deniers; for the evidence for the "six million Jews" figure is largely a
best guess approximation, not unlike the approximations for other
historically documented genocides (Armenian genocide; Rwandan genocide;
Cambodian genocide; Ukranian genocide; etc.).
To wit, the evidence for an "inside job" on 911/2001 is vast,
concrete, and irrefutable. The outrage here is your investment of
emotion in an otherwise lucid affair. The Holocaust was worse in terms
of scale, true; but the argument for 911/2001 is not of scale but of the
event itself. You either accept the scale of the Holocaust or you deny
it. You either accept the cause of 911/2001 or you deny it. And of
those two propositions, the cause of 911/2001 is grounded in much more
accurate and readily accessible facts than the scale of the Holocaust.
To deny the events of 911/2001, then, is arguably a greater
jaunt into self-deception than to deny the scale of the Holocaust.
One of the many obvious reasons is that people who deny the holocaust are
generally doing so in order to make a nasty claim about a certain ethnic
group. The deniers want to call the thousands of surviving victims liars and
say that they only claim that the holocaust happened in order to gain
something.
Yes; and such deniers are taken to task, as they should be. Of
course, if you apply the same standards today, the racists in questionb
are the Zionists and their minions; and the targets of Zionist racism
are the Muslims and the Arabs. Moreover, ZionistsAndMinions (ZaM)
portray 911/2001 truthseekers as being unAmerican or "antiSemitic" or
loonies or conspiracy theorists; etc. IOW, 911/2001 deniers are
virtual mirror images of Holocaust deniers.
Those thousands and thousands of people personally suffered, and are
personally called liars by every holocaust denier.
And they are reproached for that implication, as they should be.
Deniers of your version of the truth don't usually call you a liar. They
think you're deluded. They're not basing their words on racism or hatred of
a group. And you, and the people who agree with you, aren't eyewitnesses to
this placing and firing of explosives. And the placing and firing of
explosives wasn't documented throughout Europe over dozens of years by
photos, written documents, and film.
My version of the truth, again, is well-rigored. Much more
rigored than that of any Holocaust denier. Those clowns deny the scale
of the Holocaust in much the same way that clowns like you deny the
factual events of 911/2001. And here, your denial is against a larger
establishment of facts.
However, it IS pretty bad to bring up the millions and millions of people
who were humiliated, tortured, and murdered in front of their families so
that you can berate the press.
P
The above paragraph is a loaded, emotional, fallacious appeal
that has no connection to the actual treatment of the observable
evidence by the genuine 911/2001 truthseekers.
-zookumar-
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