Re: Twelve People Enslave a Fourth of this World!


"zookumar" <zookumar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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jonathan wrote:
Here are their faces.
http://www.cecc.gov/pages/virtualAcad/gov/stateleaders.php
The Chinese communist party is the largest dictatorship
this planet has ever seen. It is perhaps the most repressive
dictatorship this world has ever seen. ONE FOURTH
of the Human Race is owned as slaves by the
Gang of Twelve.

Hyperbole tends to interfere with proper redressals of the
circumstances that generate the hyperbole, and this feeds into more
hyperbole. Nothing is gained. Once can make similar hyperbolic claims
that the ideology of capitalism (and its predecessing aristocratic
order) were responsible for the enslavement of the remaining THREE
FOURTHS of the human race for much of the 20th century.


Yes, but one would be correct, the other in error. It's not the
hyperbole that matters, but where the truth lies.


The truth
hovers nearby to both claims, and is thus absent from the claims
themselves.


China itself reveals the truth of this matter. Since capitalism
was allowed in China, more people have been lifted out
of poverty in a shorter period of time than at any period
in human history. This testifies to the falsehood of your
claim.




To wit, you can speak of the Gang of Twelve or the Gang of Four
and their impact on untold millions ... but then you must also speak of
the handful of cliques that basically control the global economic order
to enrich themselves and in the process, enslave and/or make to suffer
untold millions. Secretive "capitalist" councils like the Bilderbergers
or the General Staff or the Group of Eight or the World Bank or the
International Monetary Fund or ...


I agree that poorly regulated capitalism is another form of
slavery. China today serves as a prime example of such
an extreme or abusive form of capitalism. Yet still the
benefits are clear. I speak of capitalism and communism
in their idealized forms. As the basic properties
of each system is clear. Absolute power corrupts, so
a communist system would tend to move towards the
worst example over time. While capitalism self tunes
to the optimum over time through those 'market forces'
we all recognize. So capitalism tends to move towards
the ideal.

The two move in opposite directions over time, communism
towards evil, capitalism towards justice. This fact should
be self evident, only bias muddies this truth.




To town cry the excesses of Communism and not pay equal
attention to the excesses of Capitalism is a fool's mating call.


Only facts, theory and experience defy this statement. Only
bias and a poor understanding of each system supports it.





And in a couple of years, during the 08 Beijing Olympics, the
entire world will raise a 'glass' and offer a toast designed to
legitimize, no consumnate, the indefinite slavery
of much of this planet.

Capitalism (and its aristocratic and imperial predecessors) has
delivered forth more slavery past and present than Communism, which has
only been around a fraction of the time that Capitalism (and its
aristocratic and imperial predecessors) has. Both ideologies are flawed
in their lack of understanding of basic human nature. The human
condition requires individuality. Therefore, the collectivist extremism
of Communism is ill-matched for the human condition. The human
condition also requires communality. Therefore, the individualist
extremism of Capitalism is just as ill-matched for the human condition.


This is the first time you've made any sense. A constant theme of the
chaos and complexity sciences is that the optimum is a result of
a balance between the two opposite extremes. In this topic
one extreme is a central economic control, the other completely
unregulated capitalism. Both extremes would be a form of
slavery. A balance between the two would be the ideal.

A balance between the rule of law and freedom.

But the same balance must hold within each realm.
In a dicatatorial or corrupt govt, east or west, the
balance is skewed in both realms towards those
in power. The balance cannot exist long, it tends
to either extreme over time. Only with the self correcting
mechanisms of a democracy can maintain an adaptive balance.

The balance flows towards the middle or to each extreme
based on one primary system property. Who is deciding?
When the few decide for the many corruption and extremes
are inevitable.

When the many decide for the few, as in a true democracy, the
tendency is to self tune to the middle optimum. Not recognizing
this tendency shows a basic lack of understanding of natural
processes. Whether in humans or ecosystems.



Orwell would be proud!

Eric Blair was right on track with his observations of
Big Brother. I'm not sure he was commenting about any specific
ideology.


Or the nightmarish scenes of brainwashing people into thinking
that evil is good. Calling freedom slavery for instance as you
have. It's a common trick of communist and socialist states.
They say they are freeing the masses by taking everything
the people own from them. They say they are restoring the
power of the people by concentrating power in the hands
of a few. They say 'trust us' to do justice, then quietly
change the laws so that they can stay in power forever.





A 'Champagne Event', a spectacle never imagined.
The human race applauds it's own captivity, and
shouts in unison "here here"!
Humanity has seen many dark moments throughout history.
But this is deliberate.
It cannot be allowed to succeed. The Beijing Olympics
must be politicized and disrupted. This is a once in
a species opportunty. As we have the chance to
turn our darkest moment ever, into one that could
....free a FOURTH OF THE WORLD overnight.

Yes, Communism is a flawed ideology and stands in the way of
human advancement. It needs to be defeated. Humans are not automatons.
Communism, for whatever theoretical value it may hold, when implemented,
produces automatons. Its incompatibility with the human condition is
only matched by Capitalism's incompatibility with the human condition.


Your view is misguided. One system mimics nature, the other mimics
human flaws. One is closer to nature than the other, that is the
measure of good and evil. Again, China's explosive growth
since capitalism is clear evidence of which system is better
for the human condition. Even the flawed and corrupt version
of capitalism China now has is clearly better. Properly
regulated capitalism, where socialist ideals balance the abuses
of greed is better yet.





From the darkest, to the brightest.
It's a moment of Truth for humanity, coming soon
to a theatre near you.
Jonathan

To which the impartial observer in a fleeting moment of
partiality asks, "I will help you defeat Communism. Will you help me
defeat Capitalism?"

A primary characteristic of naturally evolving systems is that they
self tune to the optimum all by themselves. The solutions are found
internally. No, I won't, freedom and democracy will eliminate
the abuses for us....automatically.

It's important to understand the properties of nature, so that
they can be properly applied to our socities.

Nature and evolution, self tuning to the optimum, flows from
a balance between opposite extremes. Either extreme alone
is evil, together they combine for good. China's political
system resides in only one extreme.

It is therefore evil and must go, so that China's form of capitalism
can find it's natural balance that is yet to arrive.
Only in this way can the political and economic
systems balance each other.


Using nature as a guide provides an objective measure
of good and evil. Everything I call evil is far from natural.
Everything I call good is closer to nature.

In this way alone can Orwellian hyperbole end so that
truth is knowable.


Jonathan








-zookumar-



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