Re: Analyze this!


it might solve your problems. You just have to configure it which isn't
hard
but it does require a news server.

I still am not sure what a news server is and how it will help, but I
do have outlook experss on my computer. I might try replying through
that by having my groups sent in packets to what ever site I will
reset to take my 25 posts at a time from these groups.



Ok, when you run outlook express you can goto tools->Accounts->Add->New

and it asks for things like name and some misc stuff that might not be
important.. In any case the main thing you have to have is the news server.
To get this you have to constant your internet provider or look on there web
page. A news server is simply a server that does this news stuff. Like a web
sever but specific for news groups.

like mine is something like news.sbcglobal.net but it also requires me to
log which isn't always the case.

Chances are your isp has its own news server dedicated for its users. What
it means for you is that you get news groups for free(Which you can get
through things like google) and use news group clients like outlook
express(or many others). The news group clients are going to be much better
than google and if you plan on using these news groups ofted its probably
the way to go.

(not only that, outlook express is a mail reader which you can use to read
mail from certain clients(even google has the ability to work but you have
to configure it to allow pop3 or something)

There are many tutorials on the net about how to set everything up but you
need to get the important information first.



I guess when I compose I tend to be to "free" but in those pieces I did
try
to use more motivic ideas from the original theme to try and make it more
cohesive and keep me from rambling. Thing is, I really don't know how to
write variations... sure I know the "theory" and the different ways to do
the stuff but I dont' really know how to use them to make something sound
good. I guess its just practice though which is something I haven't done
much of(specially lately) ;/

The key to this is motive development. You have been using mostly non-
essential variation. In the variations, you can keep the continuity in
other ways. You don't have to stick to the melody. A good EXERCISE to
start is to keep the chord structure in the same time frame, but take
a motif from the melody and cut the value of each note in half or in a
third (if applicable) or even a mixture of the two. Then write using
that motf over the faster changes. (making any sense) you can then
play with the shape, change the modality of the motif by sequences and
starting on different notes of the scale, even start it in different
places in the structure. Don't limit your self to the ridigid phrasing
of the original melody. Let the phrases over lap the harmony creating
different sounds. This exercise may help you to break free. The motif,
WILL BE the coherent factor! that is all you need, and you also have
the Harmony as a crutch to start off with.


Every time I do such things it just doesn't sound good. Usually either the
melody is completely unrecognizable or it is to similar but in any case it
just doesn't sound good. Not sure if its cause of hte midi or not or if I'm
just not doing it right.

I'll try again soon though as maybe it will work this time.

"But this is so hard to do in MIDI", he whines :-) and rightfully so.
SO take your MIDI and just play the chords, and not too fast at that,
and then just improvise the development of the melody over this on the
fly. Play it back, if it works, keep it, if it doesn't try something
else. Do a number of them and then copy and past the parts that work
into your harmony and see what you have.


Improvise the melody with what? midi? I have been doing just that with that
guitar piece.. Used midi for the drums and harmony and guitar for the
melody.

You think I should try to develop the melody of it? take a motive from it
and do things with it for the second phrase?







The Fugue seems sounds more like an invention. No problem there, but I
didn't really look to see if you followed the key structure patterns
to make it a fugue. Again no matter. But a good sounding and original
sounding theme that has life and can go into a lot of directions. It
contains a lot of resources that can be developed in a more extended
piece.

Yeah, its sorta a mix. I don't think an invention uses the tonic dominant
thing a fugue does? But I sorta stop doing anythign fugue'ish in that
piece
after the second entrance of the subjects. I think I'm going to try and
write an actually fugue soon because I need to compose something and I
need
to refresh my memory on some of the ideas. This time I'll try to stick
with
the actual form instead of wondering off. (might use the same subject
though)

Always a good idea. Imagine, Bach would improvise fugues as a party
stunt for his rich guests on his gigs. I understand his power went far
beyond his musical endevors. "Learn to compose and RULE THE WORLD!"

lol... yeah... but thats Bach. He "invented" fugues. Most people now days
are not impressed by them at all ;/ I think there wonderful though and much
more interesting than britney "I wanna get knocked up" spears or backstreet
boys.




You might want to analyze the Satie and see the gamut of chord types
that he uses. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember some quartal
harmony and more emphasis on chords with added notes on the expanded
voicings.

I'll look at and see what he does(don't really remember).

I will try to listen some more if I get a chance or if you ask
specific questons.

In general, expansion of your concepts would be my suggestion. You
show a lot of careful work. Maybe a bit to careful. Unless you are
doing commissions for a narrow thinking benefactor, don't be afraid to
experiment and take a plunge, see what happens and see if you can work
your way out of it and into some new waters. It all shows lots of
promise.

My two issues when I compose tend to be trying to expand an idea and
making
the music flow/make sense/have direction. What happens many times is
that I
just end up making up stuff to put in there that sounds "good" but has no
relationship to the piece.


You and just about everyone else. True composers will be working on,
thinking about, listening to their inner sounds etc like all the time.
And still it doesn't come easy. Don't rush yourself. it takes time.
but as you discover what is important and you develop the specific
skills and knowledge that you need to reach your goals, it does get
easier. Or at least, as you see that you can do it, your desire to
work harder keeps you going. Remember, if it was easy, everyone would
do it.


Yeah... lol, I use that last line all the time ;/ But I've been at this for
several years now. Luckily I am starting to make some progress but its
definitely not easy for me ;/ Of course music isn't my primary thing and I'm
completely "self" taught so I'm probably not doing that bad. But its just
agonizingly slow.

You have a good start. I am anxious to see where your different
experience will lead. I hope you are as well.


Sure... but I guess its something I'd like to do more than just a hobby.


I suppose its all practice though but it sucks doing it in midi... many
times the sounds are bad yet in real life it would sound better(but
sometimes its hard to know). I know this is true cause I've notated some
famous works in midi and it sounded bad too... but since I can't seem to
get
anyone to perform my pieces(Without paying them atleast) it doesn't give
me
any motivation to continue to compose because I have no idea it will
still
suck when its performed by a human.

Thanks,
Jon,

You can learn to play better and limit your self to what you can play,
or you can learn to hear your music better in your head. I think you
should spend a certain amount of time learning the instrument, BUT,
lets get real.. a little knowledge of the instrument is necessary so
that you don't write unplayable things on the instrument. And it is
always better if for example, a piano piece is pianastic. BUT the msic
is the most imprtant thing. You can use MIDI to help you learn the
sound of your music, and then your inner ear to hear things that you
can't play. It is a skill that can be learned faster than to become a
concert pianist. Learn to use your ear better. Play that music on your
inside sound system. It can be learned.


Thats very hard for me to do ;/ I'm getting better and the most progress
has become since I started singing(or trying to sing). When I hear music
in my head(along with visualization) it tends to be like I'm hearing it at
very low volumn and things are very "foggy". (and once I change focus I
look everything I was hearing). There have been points, either when
dreaming, just before going to bed, or when waking up that I have heard
things very clearly and they were amazing. I've had dreams about music and
cool ideas or "great" pieces... but I cannot clearly remember what I heard
or if I could then I cannot understand it enough to write it down.

Luckily this thing, whatever it is, seems to be occuring more often(but
still not much) so maybe it will get frequent enough that I might actually
be able to benefit from it.

My ears just suck ;/ Not sure why. I still cannot ear intervals
easy(sometimes I can but usually hard) and I get confused a lot. Sometimes
I think a 5th is a 6th and vice versa ;/ Of course I don't practice it much
a I should ;/ But again, music is not my primary job. Singing is definitely
helping though as I can usually sing the inteverals much easier and then
because of how "easy" it is to sing or just because I can see where the note
somehow I can tell the interval.... but its still not something that happens
very quick.

Thanks,
Jon


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