Re: Piccolo vs Mussete


"GINO" <hardcorechicano2007@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On May 27, 11:54 am, Johann Pascher <Johann.Pasc...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 26, 7:33 pm, GINO <hardcorechicano2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On May 26, 5:54 pm, Johann Pascher <Johann.Pasc...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

GINO wrote:
Ive heard both Piccolo an Mussete accordions but what would be the
mechanical difference in them?

Sice of the reed is smaler so if you want to replace a complte set of
piccolo rids you have to replace the redblock as well, and the reed
block still needs to fit into the box.

Is it the way the reeds or set in the box or is it the actual
tunnig
itself?
Both!
Also a friend of mine wants to know if his 4 reeded diatonic box
can
be Mussete tunned, is this possible?

I think it shold be tuner musette any way, but it depends if the box
has no switches waht is unlikly. I would think that at list two reeds
are MM in his case and this reeds ar usaul tune musette.> I know that
the piano an cba can be Mussete tuned but Ive never heard
of a diatonic being made this way.

No all Alpine "steirsche Harmonikas" are of some sort of musette in
nearly every case.
And also the traditonal vienna style ditonic boxes usual use 2 or 3
reeds in MM or MMM configuration.
The tunnig varys but usual the are not tuned without beat in the
sound.

Usually Ive heard of the diatonic boxes being named gfc, ead, adg
an
so on....but never Mussete or Piccolo.

You get mixed up with the naming conventions.

GCF, EDG, .. stands for the key the differnt rows are in.

For a GCF box you do have G ditonic scale on the outer row and C on
the middle row and F on the inner row.

This has nothing to do with the actual tunig of the two or tree reeds
for each note.

Joahnn

I was trying to play a small song that only consisted of pushing 25
times (taps).
I can play it on my cba but not my diatonic, why is that? I look at
the scale again an again on the diatonic an still no hope......
That is the reason I was getting confussed on the conventions, Ive
heard people say, they want to tune there GCF box to a EAD or
something...Ima little lost there, but mabe there the ones who are
lost...

Hi Gino,
It looks like your problem is something else as we tray to aswer.
Again all other things said by Ike Bruce and others are true.
But for the problem i see now it may help to study the key layout
of the two boxes you own.

Post the little song you can play on the cba and not on the diatonic
box.
Then we tell you if it is possible to play the song at all on a
diatonic box.

For some people it is much easier to find the notes on chromatic boxes
specially at the time the start to play without teacher.

And for others it is often the other way round.

But in some certain cases diatonic boxes just don't have the needed
accidentals to play the song as it is written on the ***.
Very often the music is transposed from one key into an other to
fit the scales available on the specific diatonic box.
This is often done by mind without much thinking.
Once on knows the tune in mind and one can sing the tune we
usual can sing the tune starting with different notes (pitch).
So the if we can do it by singing Way we cant do it on a diatonic box?

Because the we have to know or feel where to start with the
first note on the box to fit the scale the box is in.
This comes intuitive once one is used to the box.

So if one uses dotted notation for a diatonic box it is very
often in the key of C even the box is in some other key.
In mind one looks at the keys as the ware in GCF in reality
the my be in ADG or some other key.
So the sound is transposed to the other key of the box the
tune is still recognized as it ware.

Back to the key layout of diatonic boxes.
The layout varies depending one the type of boxes.

If your box is a three row box most oft the keys in
this three rows are likely to be standard.
And compared to other diatonic boxes that may be
in a different key like GCF or ADG the relative position
of the notes are always the same if you learned to
play a GCF you can play on every other box as well.

So first tell us in with tuning your diatonic box comes.
Then i would assume that your box is without "Gleichtone"
in the middle.
Vienna style boxes employ bi sonic keys on each
button if one in a row is sounding monochrome
(push and pull the same pitch)
Then you you do have an alpine style layout.

I can post you the layouts of the CBA and the diatonic
box, but first tell me how the diatonic box is tuned.
You also my draw a key layout yourself by using a tuner
and writing down every note of the diatonic box you own.

Post the layout and the tune you want to play then we
tell you how it has to be transposed to fit your diatonic box.
We even my suggest how the fingering is best for the tune.

Keeo on Gino, you are an the right path!

Keep on asking!

Best regards Joahnn- Hide quoted text -

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here is "taps", tabed out, I have the scale of the gcf box an that is
the key on my diatonic box, all pushing in....I can play this on my
diatonic, but not the CBA , I said it backwards in the begining
sorry.....
(C5x2.C6~~~~~~~~)
(C5.C6.C7~~~~~~~)
(C5.C6.C7)
(C5.C6.C7)
(C5.C6.C7~~~~~~~)
(C6.C7.C8~~~~~~~)
(C7.C6.C5~~~~~~~)
(C5x2.C6~~~~~~~~)

or GGC, GCE, GCE, GCE, GCE, CEG, ECG, GGC........

surely, mabe it is the pitch that trows the song off completely? But I
have 1 big unanswered question that I have seen a million, million
times from a lot of Tex-Mex players. Can a EAD be turned into a GCF


Yes it can by changing the reeds out. Usually costs less just to get another
accordion.


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