Re: The importance of the drummer.
- From: fastlundy@xxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:13:31 -0700 (PDT)
On Jun 1, 6:28 pm, George <George@yahoo##.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:08:15 -0700, "Dan"
<dan@freelance[removethis]workshops.com> wrote:
Mike wrote:
There are a bunch of guys who play "that" way, and very well. I would
never try to discredit Carter, because he's obviously great, but there's
nothing he did that a lot of other guys that good couldn't do.<<<
That theory only works if the new guy is substituting for Carter on
established songs, similar to how Jason Bonham sounded awesome at the Zep
reunion.
The theory falls apart (as it did and does for many bands) when you consider
the day-to-day working relationships of band members and how they create
music together. Those ties have been forged over many years and through many
shared musical situations. Unless the players in a band are truly sidemen
with no creative input, you simply can't plug in a new guy without
substantially altering the band.
Dan
Well said Dan! However, I do think that if you had say..Keith Carlock,
Manu or Vinnie playing with DMB from it's inception, their signature
fills and overall sound would be harder to emulate or translate for a
different drummer in the chair given the freedom Dave gives to his
drummers.
The day to day working together though is the key to forming and
honing that sound. To me, just my opinion, Carter's sound is pretty
widespread throughout the drumming community and therefore could be
easier to replace. Porcaro is the perfect example, I love Simon's
playing, he's a great, great player...but Porcaro just had that
something like Bonham, Moon etc, that couldn't be emulated.
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I think it's correct to say others could replace CB today. But, if
you think about when DMB first started to make it big, there was no
one else in the *popular* music scene who was playing like CB. I've
never been a huge fan of DMB, but I always appreciated what CB was
doing. I feel like his playing was truly part of what defined DMB's
sound. Almost always tasty, his playing provided a very unique spin
on a tune versus what it would have been if another drummer were in
his seat. I think most drummers -- not matter how good -- would
probably have taked a more straight-forward approach to that music,
and it would have been completely different in its resulting feel. I
think that CB with DMB, and Gadd's approach to Aja are some of the
very few examples where the drummer is truly integral to the song
(there are probalby more, which is what the OP was about).
Admittedly, CB's live cuts I've heard seem to skew toward overplaying
for sure. But the studio stuff has been very fresh -- especially
before the mass market proliferation began to help us all take DMB for
granted (hard for him to be fresh today, IMO)
FastLundy
PaulLundquist
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