Re: Arranging program?

On Nov 5, 5:05 am, Joey Goldstein <nos...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
charles robinson wrote:
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On 2009-11-03 11:36:58 -0800, "charles robinson"
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First "with the guitar" do you mean explicitly without the use of a
gk2a/synth/midi-out way to address the computer?  I don't know of any
approach that would let you play your note and have it appear on a staff
and in time without a gk2a or similar approach.

A good affordable arranging program.  I'm not sure what that would be
either.  I know you can use Band-in-a-Box, play a midi line into it
while
a set of changes goes by and it will harmonize your line to fit the
style
you have selected.  Among those styles might simply be an alto and
trombone harmonized in sixths, or it might be a five-horn "Supersax"
harmonization, or four trombones, or "Singers Unlimited" or a
George-Shearing thing.

So then logically you could use that sort of thing, making multiple
passes, then output it to a midi-file which you could then upload to
Logic
or Cubase or something and push it around until you were happy? Of
course
Logic and Cubase are not inexpensive, but there are similar programs
that
are.

Is this the kind of thing you're talking about?
--
Dogmatism kills jazz. Iconoclasm kills rock. Rock dulls scissors.

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First "with the guitar" do you mean explicitly without the use of a
gk2a/synth/midi-out way to address the computer?  I don't know of any
approach that would let you play your note and have it appear on a staff
and in time without a gk2a or similar approach.
... I was hoping that by now someone had developed a
simple interface that would allow you to play your guitar into an
arranging
program without having to use a synth pickup.
I don't think they have come up with that yet. There are systems that
allow you to plug in and have the output go, via usb, directly into your
computer.  But I think it is just producing a handy audio-ini. It would
take another chip, or a significant program to figure out what pitch and
duration each note was and then talk (quite likely in midi) to a notation
program.

My interest is not so much in
having automated harmonization but rather having parts played in concert
transposed to the keys of the various instruments involved in order to
save
time. Having the ability to hear the entire arrangement played back upon
completetion is also of interest.
To my knowledge (I'm eager to hear of any newer approaches) there is only
gk2a which when connected to a GR30, GR33 or the current reduced-feature
GR20 will output midi which can be fed to your computer you can then use
it with whatever program you like.  I am using Logic with a Mac.  I play
the note, it appears on the screen.  When I'm done, I can transpose it to
another key, say for a Bb instrument, and so forth.
--
Dogmatism kills jazz. Iconoclasm kills rock. Rock dulls scissors.

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I'm definitely not going to buy a synth just to make arranging a bit easier
so I guess I'll just have to wait until something better appears.
Charlie

These days the synths are in the form of software that's built-in to the
computer program as plugins.

There are apps out there that can take a monophonic audio recording
(i.e. 1-note at at ime, no chords, etc.) and turn it into MIDI data.
But usually the output of this type of algorithm leaves much to be desired.
If you really want to generate notation from the guitar you'll need a
guitar-to-MIDI converter like the Axon or the Roland systems.
You'll also need to install a hexaphonic pickup to one of your guitars.
You'll also probably need a MIDI interface to get the signal out of the
MIDI converter into the computer, unless your MIDI converter has USB
output - like the Axon AX-50.

But you won't need any hardware synths, assuming that your comoputer is
powerful enough to run some software synths.

This computer notation thing is something you'll have to spend
considerable time learning anyway. Add a guitar-to-MIDI converter into
it and it's a big learning curve you need to be aware of.

You might also consider a character recognition program that allows you
to scan handwritten scores and convert that into data that programs like
Sibelius and Finale can understand. I can't remember the names of any
such programs, but they're out there and I think they might work better
than the monophonic pitch-to-MIDI stuff.

Also, most notation programs are not geared towards arranging
specifically. They're geared towards notation in a more generally way,
with arranging being a subset.

Good luck.

--
Joey Goldstein
<http://www.joeygoldstein.com>
<http://homepage.mac.com/josephgoldstein/AudioClips/audio.htm>
joegold AT primus DOT ca

Sibelius uses Photoscore for scanning using OCR (Optical Character
Recognition). Until recently, it could only scan clearly printed
scores. Although Photoscore Ultimate now offers the option of scanning
handwritten notation, the results are very hit and miss. In some
instances, it would be quicker and easier to enter all the notes and
symbols by hand. It's great for copying printed scores on the other
hand. I've scanned orchestral scores and band charts to extract parts
and only had to make minimal corrections.

As for note entry, you might want to look into Sibelius G7, Charlie.
Its advantage over many other programs is that note entry can be
achieved via graphic fretboards. Not only is it more familiar to
guitarists, you can determine the fret position of each note if you
need to output tablature.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul03/images/sibeliusg71.l.gif
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