Re: Rules of thumb for creating lines
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- Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:47:51 -0800 (PST)
On Dec 23, 4:12 pm, "Joe Finn" <J...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Dec 23, 12:37 am, Joey Goldstein <nos...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
rich...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Any other rules?
Never say "never" or "always" when talking about music.
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Yes, of course.
But when a student asks you "how do I make up lines that sound good"
what do you tell him/her?
:-)
...richie
Richie: I think your original point about rules is off the mark. Creating
lines in the improvisational context implies spontaneity and freedom.
Spontaneity and freedom
are antithetical to the concept of being locked into a certain set of rules.
Tell your students to listen to the great masters of modern jazz. Have them
transcribe the solos. This is what develops the ear and simultaneously helps
the student to acquire vocabulary, syntax, repertoire and stylistic
concepts.
The software developers who wrote biab and other similar programs have set
things up so that the computer will improvise lines over various harmonies.
This is what improvisation "by the rules" sounds like. While this is
interesting from a software perspective, it is of little musical value.
If you give them one word of advice, let it be this: Listen. ....joe
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And the usual dogmatic response rears its head again.
Here's the deal, sounds to me like Richie is lookng for some
mechanisms that those learning jazz can use to start to sound jazzy.
If I started to improvise now, I can play something fairly free and
smooth, but you'd probably accuse me of not using the jazz language. I
need to consciously learn the jazz approach first, whether that's a
particular scale over a particular chord, or start out on a particular
beat. In time an individual will assimilate this and not have to think
so consciously about it and I'll be thinking about sounds, not scales
and chords.
This is accepted as a model of learning in education and applies in
music too. Basically, the four stages and individual passes through
learning a skill are:
Unconscious Incompetence -> Conscious Incompetence -> Conscious
Competence -> Unconscious Competence
Transcribing the 'Masters of Modern Jazz' is a part of this process.
You have to analyse it a see what they are doing. They will have
certain ideas that they repeat and which the student might choose to
emulate and build on. These are the kind of things that Richie was
asking about. OK, so he used the word 'rules'... jeez, that's the only
bit you seem to have jumped on in order to trot out the same old
views.
Give the guy a break.
.
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