Re: Charlie Robinson , Joe Jennings and Ray McMurtry


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slight confusion about 1st or 2nd ending at 4:12, but no biggie ;)

it seems that joe and you are playing slightly different changes in the
2nd ending. joe goes |Ebj |C7 |Fm7 |Bb7|, while the comping goes |Ebj|
Fm11 Bb7|Ebj C7#9|Fm7 Bb7|.

Were matching. At 4:12 I'm playing EbMaj.7, C7#9, F-7, Bb13 followed by
Eb Maj.7, C13b9,B 13b9,Bb13b9, Eb 6/9 ( a common substitute turnaround
pattern during which Joe lays out). Right before that at about 4:08 I
play Bb13 sus 4, Bb7# 5 but once again Joe is out of there. ( I really
like what he was doing from about 3:54 to 4:01) We did play it slower
than usual, generally we only get one take so sometimes it's better to
play things a little bit safe. I hear the resemblance to Barney on this
one also; as with Kenny Burrell the other day it wasn't intententional,
it just came out that way. The illusion is heightened by the fact that I
had on a lot more treble than I normally use that day.Thanks for the
feedback, I'm leaving for a rehearsal with Joe in a few mins, there is a
possibility that we will be doing something with a full group soon.
Charlie

here's how i play the 2nd ending:

|Abj|Abm6|Ebj|C7|Fm7|Bb7|Ebj C7| Fm7 Bb7| (Cm7 in bar 4 for the melody)

seems like you play:

|Abj|Abm6|Ebj C7|Fm7 Bb7|Ebj C7|Fm7 Bb7|Ebj C7| Fm7 Bb7|

i hear joe leaning towards the first version, which is how trane plays
it. the Fm7 Bb7 in bar 4 just doesn't sound right to me. btw i love your
more "trebly" tone on this.

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I think you are right in that the Trane version was more strictly
structured with them playing the exact same sequence each time around. I
just pulled out the chart that we started with when we began playing the
tune about 8 mos. ago (2nd ending):
/ AbMaj.7/ Abm7 Db7/G-7/C-7/ G-7 Gb7/F-7 Bb7/ Ebmaj7/%/

yes, i like those much better, the last turnaround doesn't really matter but
the Cm7 is right there where it should be, imho. interesting enough (or not,
lol) many people play a Cm7 F7 in the first ending of the original tune:

Abj Abm7 Ebj Cm7 *F7*

which is the wrong chord and clashes with the melody. (should be Fmin7).
Trane keeps the F7 but alters the melody to fit.



That was the starting place for whatever it has evolved into at this point
in time.

As long as I've been playing I have gone back and forth between the more
"trebly" sound and the one with the highs rolled off . Each has it's
advantages, at this point it's more or less which one sounds best to me on
a particular day.

same here, although i do like a more trebly sound these days. eric johnson
(the real one) got a very nice tone on that polkadots clip with akiko.

Thanks for your close listening,

my pleasure, i really dig that trio.


holger


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