Re: Good time
- From: smithfrank52@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:44:02 -0800 (PST)
On Feb 18, 12:11 pm, Joey Goldstein <nos...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 18, 7:19 am, "Five Sharp" <d.onst...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Some of the older Aebersold tracks that I have used in the past speed up theI hope you're not saying that those are good. Some of those are so bad
pace like crazy. They were usually recorded by world class players.
they're virtually unusable. I think when players record backing tracks
without a click they get bored and the time suffers. That's what
happens on many of those aebersold recordings. If you took the same
band and put them with a dynamic soloist the time would be much better.
Joey D is one of the most talented (and grooviest) musicians around.
And that playalong is pretty groovin' from what I've heard of it.
Much rather he doesn't play on that one with a click track, even if he
There is a communications disconnect in these metronome threads. Pat
Metheny is doing a specific exercise for playing those interesting
cross rhythms. To practice doing so without losing the underlying
beat, it's important, in his view, to have some reference that is
definitely on the beat. Pat does these same rhythms with Charlie
Haden and Billy Higgins in old trio recordings, which are not recorded
with a click track. (Imagine THAT rhythm section using a click
track.) The fact that he had practiced them with the metronome must
have helped him learn how to do them well in all situations. He was
passing along this information and advice to students.
The response that "you shouldn't have to use a metronome" is missing
the point here. Metheny doesn't *have* to use one, as he has shown
with Higgins and Haden, Holland and Haynes et al. He uses one for
specific reasons. (He also kicks but over prerecorded tracks with PMG,
but that's a different issue.)
Nobody's ever said that you have to use a metronome, especially when
Obviously, when performing, in most situations, you have to be able to
play without a metronome.
What was put on the table by Jimmy was that practicing with a metronome
was a *bad* thing to do. And he is telling this to novice players on his
Institutes's web site.
He's made claims that practicing with or performing with a metronome
will make you a stiff player.
Does that Michael Breaker clip sound stiff to you?
He's made claims that all the great players feel the same way as he does
How is it that all of those clips that I posted even come close to the
clicks that I've over-layed for all those bars if these guys are not
well practiced with metronomes?
How anybody could ever argue that practicing with a metronome would be
bad for you is just a totally untenable position. And it's bad advice.
joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
All you proved is that good players don't have metronomic time which
was JB's point. There are no novices at JBGI either. Don't know
where you got that idea. Playing with a nome does not make for good
technique and tends to make your attack and release sound stiff. I
great player like Michael Brecker and/or Jimmy B can play with a click
and still swing. Do you actually think these guys are thinking about
a metronome. You need to get out more and play a few gigs. I looked
at your web site - you hardly work. Jimmy posted a track playing with
a nome and playing without. Both sounded fantastic but the one
without the nome had a bigger pocket.
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