Re: Aviom sound system

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On Jul 1, 1:06 pm, s...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jun 30, 4:27 pm, t...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:





I've used the Aviom system as an audio engineer for several shows
with the HK Philharmonic and a full rhythm section. The nice thing is
there are 16 inputs so you can do you own personal headphone mix. A
typical mix would be Kick, snare hi hat, then stereo drums for toms
and overheads, bass, gtr, keyboards,synth, vocals, horns etc. The key
thing is to get good , comfortable headphones which are efficient ,
and isolate the outside sound well. A lot of the guys use in the ear
type Shure E-3 or better, I prefer the Ultrasound full cup type
headphones as they are more comfortable , I think the model I have is
a 550 . You can also take a line out from the aviom mixer into a small
pr of self powered spks too if permissable.
If you are used to recording on headphones in a studio setting then
you will get used to the system quickly. A lot of guys bring in their
own preamps and/or pedal boards which we run directly into the board
thru a direct box in stereo.
I'll be getting an aviom system for my studio's monitoing in the next
month or so.
Skip

On Jun 30, 2:03 am, s...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

I'm doing a show (Smokey Joe's Cafe) where the 6 piece band appears
on
stage, but they don't want us to use amps.

Instead, we have to wear headphones and listen to each other and
ourselves through a personal mixer on the headphones.
There are no microphones involved for the electric instruments.
That sound is then put out through the theater on the Aviom sound
system using gigantic speakers mounted on the wall.

I'm not crazy about the experience, but they built such a small set
for us that we couldn't fit amps in it if we tried.
We really don't have any control over the dynamics or tone- it's all
controlled by the soundchick in the booth.
There are two jazz songs where I get to improvise a bit, and the
clean
sound is great, as well as the sound of my Parker's piezo, but to get
anything other than a clean sound I have to use pedals.
The director wanted me to use a flanger, but the only flanger I have
is on my PV Transtube EFX 112, so within 15 minutes they bought me a
new Boss Flanger!
Has anyone played through an Aviom sound system like this?
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Yeah Skip, thanks!
Hi ,Actually the way the system should work is that your gtr + efx /
pedals go thru direct box (s) ( can be in stereo) straight into the
mixing board . from there there should be direct outs that go straight
into the Aviom master control. The headphone monitor units are then
placed on stage. The whole system is connected via cat 5 cable so there
is little loss. You actually control your own indiviual mix , blending in
the drums , bass , keys, vocals etc into your cans.
You are correct , you dont have control as to what goes out to the
audience. however the upside is that it is a lot easier to mix for the
front of house with no / or little actual stage sound present,
although you milage will vary. NYU is a good school, but the bottom
line is how much actual experience the mixer has and how are they
actually hearing the audio balance.
Look at getting your own set of headphones / ear monitors. Regardless
you want to hear the Aviom mix and not the on stage mix so the
headphones should be the closed type or in the ear type , make sure
that the units are efficient so they can be turned up without
distortion etc.
Have fun, Skip


It's like playing in a studio- you don't know how the stuff sounds to
the audience, because the sound person is setting all the levels.
She tells us she went to NYU to study sound...
I'm connecting my effects boxes directly from my guitar into the Aviom
box we each plug into. Is that what you mean when you said you plugged
the pedal boards directly into the board through a direct box?
What's nice about using the system for heavily notated shows is that
the musical director can speak to us through the headphones for
rubatos and ritards without the audience hearing him.
He also tells us jokes in the middle of a number, which is a pretty
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I've used the Aviom for several shows and other gigs, and I love it. It
sure beats the hell out of the alternative, which in my case was the entire
pit trying to shout directions to the poor pit/monitor sound guy, who was
trying to get 20 or so different headphone mixes right for 20 different
musicians. What a nightmare job that must have been.

Now, as stated above, we each have control over our own 'phones mix, so if
we're not hearing something right, it's our own fault! Personally, I use a
POD for these type of gigs, it runs straight into the mixing board via a DI.
Not the best sounding rig for sure, but silent on stage and quite versatile.
I can get better sounds out of amps, but the POD sounds are above passable
for most situations, I'd say.

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**********************************************
Jon Fox
Instructor of Commercial Music - Guitar
McLennan Community College
www.jonfoxjazz.com


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