Re: Sarah Palin

Greg Thomas wrote:
On Sep 5, 9:31 am, JD <jdblackwe...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Tony Weber wrote:

Greg Thomas wrote:

On Sep 5, 6:46 am, Larry Brown <larrybro...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 4, 5:26 pm, Greg Thomas <gjtho...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 4, 1:11 pm, walki...@xxxxxx (hank alrich) wrote:

Greg Thomas <gjtho...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 4, 8:28 am, Wilbur Slice <wil...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:44:42 -0700 (PDT), Larry Brown
<larrybro...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So congratulations, Sarah Palin, you did a great job in the speech
tonight.

She certainly was wildly popular with the audience. They LOVED her!
But that's a *bad* thing right?

Well, *I* think it's a bad thing. I don't want her anywhere near
the
White House. I disagree with her on an awful lot of stuff - she
likes
creationism, banning books from the library, fundie christian,
cultural conservative, anti-choice, etc.
But I just think she did a good job on her speech. Maybe that's
because I had such low expectations - she was bound to be better
than
I had expected. Barack Obama's speech didn't impress me as much,
even
though it was a much bette speech. I suppose that's because I
*expected* high quality from him.

Ya know, I wonder how many people would be ripping you to shreds if
you had substituted "black" or "Jew" for "fundie Chriostian"?
<plonk>

You have problems with facts? She is a Christian fundamentalist. Obama
is black. Sammy Davis Jr. was a black Jew. Are you exhibiting the kind
of intellectual rigor required for informed discussion of issues and
real events?
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Please. Was it the question I asked, which is legitimate, or the
<plonk> that really set everyone off? Suppose a perceived conservative
had said he/she wouldn't vote for Obama because he's black. Would that
remark have gone unchallenged? You're right, Obama is black, Sammy
Davis was a black Jew, and Palin is a Christian fundamentalist. All
facts. Relevant?
The fact that this simple question has apparently offended so many
tells a lot about "the kind of intellectual rigor" of those offended.
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"Palin is a Christian fundamentalist..... Relevant?"

Well it sure is relevant to her supporters.
The reason Sarah Palin has fired up the base so much is not as much
that she is a woman, but because she is a good christian who has the
"right ideas". Think those people who instantly fell in love with
Sarah don't think she will govern with her christian beliefs always at
the forefront?

http://cabalamat.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/palin-god-told-usa-to-invad...

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Yo bra, read up your history. Strike that. Read the Declaration of
Independance.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights . . ."

An indication of what mankind is, not that God Shall Give The President
Their Marching Orders

It certainly seems that Jefferson believed in God. I

wonder if he only believed in God before and after he was President,
and not while he was in office. Or maybe he refused to let that belief
color any decision he made while in office.

No doubt Jefferson did believe in God. And no doubt his belief system
and values colored his decisions quite often. But you forget your
history yourself: the Founding Fathers were sons of the Enlightenment,
which valued reason above all other things. And which was greatly a
reaction to the madness of the Reformation Wars which had dogged Europe
for two hundred years. So while many of the FF were religious men, they
also believed that religion had no place in the political sphere.

And now we come to the Religious Right, who seem to believe that their
values and morals should be foisted on the rest of us whether we like it
or not. Believe in them or not. One of Sarah Palin's first acts as
Mayor of Wasilla was to attempt to have books that she didn't like
banned from the local libraries; and then to fire the head librarian
when she didn't get her way. The librarian was quite popular in this
primarily Republican town, and public pressure forced Palin to back
down. I had forgotten about it until I was talking to a friend of mine
from Wasilla last weekend. It was not Palin's only example of
attempting to foist her beliefs on others.

Come on folks. At least be honest. The hostility many of you have
toward anything having remotely to do with God is blatant. Why is
that?

How about because some of us are tired of being told that we must
tolerate your ideas, beliefs and values, without your doing the same in
return?

Tony Weber

We might add that the majority of the FF were Deists, specifically opposed
to the role that organized religion played in government. Being intelligent
men they understood well that the infinite nature of God makes it
impossible for mere men to grasp the entirety of the concept. That any
"religion" would be so arrogant as to claim to have the "truth" in toto,
especially with a fundamentalist mindset, should be offensive to anyone
with an IQ over room temperature. That the same people would attempt to
foist these beliefs on us through the law angers the patriot in me. I am
further amused at the idea that apparently God stopped speaking to us 2000
years ago (with the exception of a few big haired televangelists). I chalk
it up to spiritual laziness and an inability to hear over the incessant
quacking about "family values". I have no hostility toward God. Far from
it. What I do have is extreme prejudice against anyone who would make their
"religion" a part of my political process.

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JD -

Re your comment "That the same people would attempt to foist these
beliefs on us through the law angers the patriot in me." Who are these
people, and where/when are they using the law to further their agenda?

Greg


That is obvious, even to me in Australia with only the bits and pieces that I see on the TV news.

So many of your politicians have very strong religious beliefs, and are not backward in expressing them during your election for the purpose of getting elected.

MJRB
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