Re: amy winehouse

Dar wrote:
On Jul 31, 4:00 pm, StephenCalder <cald...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:





Dar wrote:
On Jul 31, 9:58 am, Derek <de...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree with Dar for the most part without the animosity I read in
that post. I used to run a day treatment program for teens who had
substance problems.
Kevin is right, they will sell their mom for the next high. The level
of addiction she has overshadows any talent imo. We have seen this
too many times before.
Should she clean up, I will take her seriously. However, my
purchasing her music goes directly to her habit at this point. Thanks
but no thanks.
She seems on the fast track to an early death. I hope she turns it
around, as she does have a wonderful voice and is doing her part to
give life to older R&B music with enough modern bits to make it
interesting.
It wasn't written with animosity , necessarily ; just with a
firsthand
perspective on the cold , hard facts about how hardcore alcoholics
and addicts
are , and , as much as we like to think we're unique and unfathomable
to others,
when we're in the pits of substance abuse, our behaviors are
predictable ,
not unique at all because they are generic manifestations of the
disease.
Textbook, garden variety alcoholic behaviors , mental states warped
and
degenerate due to the long term effects of chemical abuse on the brain
and psyche .
If that comes across sounding like a personal judgement , I
understand , but it's
about what the disease does to the real person, the person that gets
squashed
and hidden away behind the sickness. Been there, done that , one of
the lucky ones
who gets to have a new life outside the prison of drug abuse . I wish
that for everyone who
falls prey, or jumps in the deep end and is drowning , Amy included.
But now she's like
a person who's put a noose around their neck and is rocking back and
forth trying to knock
the chair out from underneath , singing the day away . There is
something definitely
wrong with the picture .
DS
I probably shouldn't comment on this thread, but I must. There is a
certain amount of responsibility a person must bear for becoming an
addict, but only some. The rest is a disease--as you say. There is
increasing evidence of a biologic basis for the so-called "addictive
personality".
While addicts may exploit and hurt their loved ones, it is not clear
at this point this fact is volition, and how much is disease. We used
to lock up schizophrenics too.
Control the damage, the crime, but recognize the illness too.
Steve
Okay, forget the music. Just go on and on about addiction.

--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia
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I could do that but I have been hard on the poor girl. Of course Dr.
B.
is right about an addict being to some (maybe large) degree at the
mercy of their disease . I never escaped my
own hell out of a desire or effort to do so; something bigger than and
beyond me had
a hand in that . I know that some great art and music is done by
people
in less than ideal emotional and psychological states, so I agree that
if you
want to enjoy someone's work you should do so without qualifications.
But in my life and personal interactions , I stay away from people
who are like I used to be
for the most part .

DS


Both understandable, and almost certainly wise.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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