Re: OT:: I'm Voting Republican!

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:07:40 -0700, Daniel Nestlerode
<dnestler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ken Cashion wrote:

I don't see Obama as a conservative. His tax-the-rich has a very
liberal taint to it.

And as I said, I don't vote for the person, I vote for the party
philosophy. Hussein Obama is a Democrat, I understand.

Ken

Ken,
Taxing the rich more than the poor is called a progressive tax
structure.

I am aware of that and I recommend it.

It puts the larger part of the burden of supporting the
government on those who can best afford it.

This is nonsense. Tax those who have been successful and worked hard
to realize the American dream to give to those who don't. You are
taxing success rather than trying to perpetuate success.

It is a tried and true
system that Republicans supported for more than 60 years.

But for a different reason. You should pay taxes in proportion to the
services you receive from the expenditure of those taxes. The rich
have more to lose from looters. There is a police force to protect us
from local looters. We have an international police force to protect
us from international looters. These are supported by tax revenue.

Because the rich have more to be protected, they should pay more taxes
for that service. They have more to lose.

What has been left off this thinking is that the poor have very little
to loose and they shouldn't have to pay as much because they don't
need it as much as the rich.

And the last consideration is that those who do not contribute to the
operation of the organization that provides these service, do not have
a say in how those services are executed. This is the "stand in the
bread line and demand rye" syndrome.

So if I were doing things, when a person ceases to contribute to the
operation of the government, they loose their right to have a say in
it. i. e. no votes.

Of course this is just my opinion and it has not been tried here that
much.

But you're right, liberals are a little more brave when it comes to
taxes.

Certainly they are. Someone said once that it is easy to be brave
from a safe distance. Someone should have, if they haven't have said,
"It is easy to be brave and give away other people's money."

The Republican party has decided that taxes are some kind of
third rail, evil, no-good, very bad thing.

That philosophy, or economic position, comes from watching the
government when the opposition continues to propose increased
taxes...as if increasing taxes will cure all ills. It does bring in
the votes from those who know they will be the recipients of those
increased taxes...because it sure will not increase theirs.

It is a no-brainer to see that is the way to get votes...basically
promise to pay the voters for voting you in. Some of the classical
governments of the past made the point that once the citizens can vote
themselves relief, it will be a continual downhill slide. I think
they were right. But then no one really studies history that much
anymore.

And they label Republicans
who disagree with the party line on the "RINOs" (Republican In Name Only).

They have to be called something. Like some folks are called "Jim
Crows" and "Oreos." It is a way of identifying them. The idea is
that you will support the party that got you elected. If they had
been wanting to be an independent, they should have ran as one.

The people back home who voted for the bloke might have expected him
to act like the representative he was claiming to be.

Taxes pay for roads and bridges, cops and firemen, schools and teachers,
sewage treatment and drinking water, levies and wells, etc. The fact
that we continue to allow tax cuts for the very folks whose wealth and
stable incomes can best fund both physical and intellectual
infrastructure brings us the self-fulfilling prophecy of failed government.

Agreed. This is self-adjusting and might be so after the next
election. This is why I say that we deserve what we get. I do not
have any confidence in the congress to spend that increased money
wisely. Congress is a breed apart. They are not a business, they are
not non-profit, they are not a charity, they are literally a
dispatcher (robbers, in some cases).

I can see how people, with all the recent history, can believe that
Communism is a good form of government if executed properly. Because
I believe that Democracy is a good form of government for the same
reason. I don't see a lot of evidence in it right now.

Again...we should fear in proportion to the threat. I have no
personal threat from terrorists. My greatest personal threat is
congress...and yes, I fear it.

I simply believe that the government should not do for the people what
the people can (and should) be doing for themselves. That makes me a
conservative. I don't know if there is a conservative party right
now.

(FWIW, CA puts the heaviest tax burden on the middle class and then
suffers greatly when the economy tanks and people make less money.
We're seeing a 16 to 18 billion dollar shortfall this year and public
education will be getting hit for 10% of that. Services will be cut,
people are losing their jobs, kids will suffer.)

CA like most forms of democracy is getting what they deserve. Many
people are leaving CA simply because they are tired of being
victimized. I can see that happening in the U.S. The companies are
leaving and I believe the money will be leaving, as well. There are
many companies that can function equally well most anywhere there is a
satellite dish. This will be entertaining to watch. And I don't see
it happening if every one paid the same percentage of taxes, but we
know that won't work because of the too wide spacing between the poor
and the rich. Welfare only keeps the poor living better, not moving
up to the middle class though many do..

And as for taxing the rich. How rich? Congress will decide who is
rich and who isn't. And they will go to where the money is. This is
the middle class. Individually, they might not have that much but
taxes are based on collective revenue. There is a lot of middle
class. I would not be surprised to be much more heavily taxed because
Congress can say my standard of living is "too good" considering how
others are living.


By the way, both the Obama and McCain tax plans are a net reduction in
total income for the federal government. Obama's by more than 2
trillion, McCain's by more than 3 trillion.

I do not pay much attention to this level of detail in
campaigns. I have seen too many of them since "I Like Ike." The
purpose of a campaign is simply to get elected. There is no other
reason. Pollsters will tell each what to say, what to propose, where.
If we log all the things Hillary said about Obama and we have
to assume she believed them, and now she is going to support such a
man...it sorta' explains why you ignore this stuff until time to vote,
and then you vote according to your eco-political philosophy and which
political party is likely to deliver on it...or some of it. Any of
it? I wrote earlier that there is small choice in rotten apples.

And you gotta admit that using Barak Hussein Obama's middle name without
using his first name was an egregious and purposeful conflation of a
brutal dictator --who had no WMDs in 2003-- and legitmate candidate for
the office of President of the United States. It wasn't worthy of your
intellect, your compassion, or your partriotism.

Lest you forget, the world demanded (UN) that he was to prove he had
no LONGER had any WMDs 2003 but he refused to do this. He said, "come
and find them." And then he thwarted every attempt by others from
several nations to determine if he did or if he didn't still have
those like he had used previously..

I used his middle name...only... I didn't name him. As usual, it
isn't what I said, but the fact that I said it. This continues to
amaze me. The truth will so inflame extremists.

I was going to compliment you for your even and literate comments, but
then it just fell apart at the end, didn't it? Well, you came closer
than usual.

Ken
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