Re: Diabetic Guitarists


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William Black09/07/2007 9:45 pm

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Steve Hawkins09/07/2007 8:39 pm

People with money or private health insurance in the UK can go private
and
buy what they need - here or abroad - if they disagree with any doctor
or
specialist in the NHS (health service).

Its all very non-judgemental and completely logical. If you or your dad
is
a
JP, solicitor, senior policeman or other weighty - or if your cousin
knows
the hospital administrator, you can get extra points anyway.

I really do want some proof of either a 'points' system and that people
can
get around it by knowing the right person.

You said it before it is weighing up the quality of life; the chances of
survival; the comparison of different patients by illness age...
Hospitals
are individually judged on the success rates of their serious operations.

There have been debates about hospitals avoiding risk to 'up their
figures'.

The patients are judged in an unofficial points system to weigh up their
chances of successfully surviving any surgery. A friend here recently got
a
good score on his survival and full recovery and jumped the queue. He had
an operation to remove part of the oesophagus (a pre cancerous removal).

The success rate nationally is only 60% but at the NHS hospital chosen by
him it was something like 80%. Those may not be the exact crude figures he
told me, but it was something of that order he was told. So far so good,
he's slowly getting well again.

No.

You made specific allegations of curruption within the system.

I quote "If you or your dad is a JP, solicitor, senior policeman or other
weighty - or if your cousin knows the hospital administrator, you can get
extra points anyway."

This is a very serious allegation and undermines the whole system.

Do you have any proof?


They're talking now about refusing treatment to people who deliberately
put their lives and health in danger - smokers, drug addicts, the obese,
alcoholics etc etc. i.e. being refused with expensive operations in
future.

No they're not.

What they're actually saying is that if a doctor says 'Stop smoking/doing
drugs/eating chips/drinking six pints a day, it's affecting your
condition'
and you don't then you're obviously not prepared to accept the treatment
offered.

All the 'addictions' mentioned above will be 'treated' free if you
request
help.

Sounds like the same thing to me. If you can't give up smoking or
drinking
or drugs or lose weight, or exercise... etc then you won't get the help
when
you need it. I talked to the GP about it. Its another anti-smoking - get
healthy initiative and control measure.

If you refuse treatment then it's your problem.

If you accept treatment and the treatment goes nowhere then the NHS will
attempt more treatment.

However, those who deliberately put their lives and health in danger
climbing and falling off mountains, dropping from hangliders, bungee
jumping too far or crashing fast motorcycles on the roads or racetracks,
will
still get all the treatment they need.

In reality all treatment is 'free at the point of need'. If you refuse
treatment or advice you're on your own.

Seem fair to me, because I'm paying...

Oh, and diabetics get free prescription drugs and syringes and routine
blood tests and routine foot, eye and blood circulation checks and any
appliances necessary...

I know, I'm a diabetic.

So does my partner.

Do you work in the NHS?

Goodness no.

Never did, probably never will.

Why do you ask?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.




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