Re: WARNING: POLITICAL (you've been warned)

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:42:53 +1100, Stephen Calder <calder9@xxxxxxxxx>
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anything@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:22:21 +1100, Stephen Calder <calder9@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

anything@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Unfortunately the void between believers and non believers is impossible
to bridge, as is the chasm between various beliefs.

I'm another non believer, but don't mind what other people believe as
long as they keep it to themselves and don' try to change the world.

Unfortunately many religious people won't accept this point of view, so
we get conflict.

And killing.

MJRB
I'm a believer and the gap between me and the more fundamental types
seems to be a one way bridge. I can accept that their limited
understanding of an omniscient, infinite and eternal God is as good as
their limited human perception can grasp and that for them, what they
know is true. Too bad they can't accept that some of us have a different
spiritual vantage point and that our understanding of God, while no less
incomplete, is still true.

JD
If there is a god, he's proved a thousand times that he's abandoned
us, and not, therefore, worth our faith or worship.
The kind of big daddy God that rides to the rescue is a childish dream.
Source allows you to do anything you want, including forget where you
came from, which we did.


Any relationship has to work both ways, so lets hear it for the
arrogant, uncaring *** who has let mankind struggle for the last
ten thousand years to carve out a civilisation and yet can't be
bothered to do a simple thing like wipe out malaria - and that would
be easy, compared to creating an entire universe.
The universe is merely a product of perception, and perception can be
proved faulty.

The world, in other words, is a trick of the mind, and for many people
quite a nasty trick. It's also a test to see if you can realise what's
going on. There's a tiny change that happens if you're determined to
find out, and it's enough to lead to a mystic experience if you let it.

Once this is seen to be a dream, made in an attempt to try and be okay
while still disconnected from Source, the "problems" becomes a single
one -- how to reconnect. That can take time and determination, but those
who find themselves reconnected know there is no such thing as a
problem, and don't try to shift responsibility for what happens in this
dream to Source. It's our collective responsibility, but it's okay
because it's just a mistake and can be corrected.


Anyone who believes in any god is deluded in my opinion and I don't
mind saying so.
I don't believe in any god that fits into any conception you have of god.

In all characteristics but one you ARE the god you think you don't
believe in. That characteristic is authorship: you and the Source are
one, but you are not the Source. Since the eternal is outside time, any
conception of it will be framed by a mind in time and therefore
inadequate, which is why the atheists are right: God as described in any
way IS false. Eternal and ineffable Source is also a false concept of
something beyond the limitations we have chosen to place ourselves in,
but since everything that seems to be outside us is actually within,
including Source, we can actually have an experience that shows the
falsity of the physical world and allows access non verbally to the
local internal nub connected to universal reality (still using words to
say something unsayable).



Further, I'm not saying this in some kind of drunken
haze - this is something I have believed for years. People have
religion like a disease of the mind and the sooner all of mankind gets
over it the better off we will all be.
Religion and Source are two quite different conversations. The way I see
it, everyone has at least some of the truth, but when conflict lasts for
generations religion has become a mere excuse. Something other than that
is really driving it, and it's always some kind of fear.

An approach to conflict that requires parties to sit down and understand
each other without blame is available and seems to have some efficacy.

But it's the "greater jihad" in the mystic sense that is the true
"battleground" of consciousness -- the idea of "fear" as the only enemy
and the process of banishing it forever. This apparent internal process
toward inner peace is the only thing that will ultimately lead to peace
in the world. No peace in the world until my mind is in perfect peace.

Naturally, those who find the world not good enough and insist on
changing it will not see it that way immediately.

Religion is a political construct used for the manipulation of stupid
people by intelligent ones, it always has been and always will be.
On a fairly narrow view of religion, you're right. It has also produced
much good (so did Hitler) so I can't be tempted to see it in black and
white.


There is no god, merely physics, and mystery. The idea that someone is
in charge is farcical - it's up to us.

When I see myself truly as one with Source, I realise it IS up to me.
The question I have is, what is it that's up to you (us) and what is the
mystery for you?

I think it's worth pointing out that I have no problem with the
concept of god - as I've said before here (about 7 years ago) - if I
can exist, god can exist. My problem is with religion and the harm it
has caused over the last 2 millennia or so.

The mystery is, if there is a god, why doesn't he get off his fat arse
and do something to help his own creation?

Pete


Oh well, I tried.

It would help if you could spell 'Sauce'.

Sauce is either HP, Heinz or Soy. Of course the French have lots of
other sauces, but they're either white, brown or fish.

I can be eqaully at one with any of them depending on what I'm eating.

Pete
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