Re: WARNING: POLITICAL (you've been warned)

anything@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:22:21 +1100, Stephen Calder <calder9@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

anything@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Unfortunately the void between believers and non believers is impossible to bridge, as is the chasm between various beliefs.

I'm another non believer, but don't mind what other people believe as long as they keep it to themselves and don' try to change the world.

Unfortunately many religious people won't accept this point of view, so we get conflict.

And killing.

MJRB
I'm a believer and the gap between me and the more fundamental types seems to be a one way bridge. I can accept that their limited understanding of an omniscient, infinite and eternal God is as good as their limited human perception can grasp and that for them, what they know is true. Too bad they can't accept that some of us have a different spiritual vantage point and that our understanding of God, while no less incomplete, is still true.

JD
If there is a god, he's proved a thousand times that he's abandoned
us, and not, therefore, worth our faith or worship.
The kind of big daddy God that rides to the rescue is a childish dream. Source allows you to do anything you want, including forget where you came from, which we did.


Any relationship has to work both ways, so lets hear it for the
arrogant, uncaring *** who has let mankind struggle for the last
ten thousand years to carve out a civilisation and yet can't be
bothered to do a simple thing like wipe out malaria - and that would
be easy, compared to creating an entire universe.
The universe is merely a product of perception, and perception can be proved faulty.

The world, in other words, is a trick of the mind, and for many people quite a nasty trick. It's also a test to see if you can realise what's going on. There's a tiny change that happens if you're determined to find out, and it's enough to lead to a mystic experience if you let it.

Once this is seen to be a dream, made in an attempt to try and be okay while still disconnected from Source, the "problems" becomes a single one -- how to reconnect. That can take time and determination, but those who find themselves reconnected know there is no such thing as a problem, and don't try to shift responsibility for what happens in this dream to Source. It's our collective responsibility, but it's okay because it's just a mistake and can be corrected.


Anyone who believes in any god is deluded in my opinion and I don't
mind saying so.
I don't believe in any god that fits into any conception you have of god.

In all characteristics but one you ARE the god you think you don't believe in. That characteristic is authorship: you and the Source are one, but you are not the Source. Since the eternal is outside time, any conception of it will be framed by a mind in time and therefore inadequate, which is why the atheists are right: God as described in any way IS false. Eternal and ineffable Source is also a false concept of something beyond the limitations we have chosen to place ourselves in, but since everything that seems to be outside us is actually within, including Source, we can actually have an experience that shows the falsity of the physical world and allows access non verbally to the local internal nub connected to universal reality (still using words to say something unsayable).



Further, I'm not saying this in some kind of drunken
haze - this is something I have believed for years. People have
religion like a disease of the mind and the sooner all of mankind gets
over it the better off we will all be.
Religion and Source are two quite different conversations. The way I see it, everyone has at least some of the truth, but when conflict lasts for generations religion has become a mere excuse. Something other than that is really driving it, and it's always some kind of fear.

An approach to conflict that requires parties to sit down and understand each other without blame is available and seems to have some efficacy.

But it's the "greater jihad" in the mystic sense that is the true "battleground" of consciousness -- the idea of "fear" as the only enemy and the process of banishing it forever. This apparent internal process toward inner peace is the only thing that will ultimately lead to peace in the world. No peace in the world until my mind is in perfect peace.

Naturally, those who find the world not good enough and insist on changing it will not see it that way immediately.

Religion is a political construct used for the manipulation of stupid
people by intelligent ones, it always has been and always will be.
On a fairly narrow view of religion, you're right. It has also produced much good (so did Hitler) so I can't be tempted to see it in black and white.


There is no god, merely physics, and mystery. The idea that someone is
in charge is farcical - it's up to us.

When I see myself truly as one with Source, I realise it IS up to me. The question I have is, what is it that's up to you (us) and what is the mystery for you?

I think it's worth pointing out that I have no problem with the
concept of god - as I've said before here (about 7 years ago) - if I
can exist, god can exist. My problem is with religion and the harm it
has caused over the last 2 millennia or so.

The mystery is, if there is a god, why doesn't he get off his fat arse
and do something to help his own creation?

Pete


Oh well, I tried.

--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia
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