Re: Profjee's website - Fails to provide song analyses

On May 30, 7:48 am, "Afzal A. Khan" <me_af...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jay wrote:
Before I say anything; let me say frankly something about Profjee's
website. Its my PERSONAL view . Criticisms welcomed.

Prof's website in the first place is all fine and perfect. He has
toiled hard for that and taken great pains to launch it for the
benefit of all music lovers/ RMIMers across the globe...FREE of cost .
He has also been updating them regularly with fresh additions from
ever possible quarter.

I acknowledge this sincerely and pray for large heartedness in serving
the 'have nots' in their 'armchair status' Afterall; everyone wants
things done at the flick of the 'mouse' or 'button'.

His website is like a BIG BAZAR wherein you can almost get every film
song. One has only to search. Thats what happens in a BIG BAZAR ! The
only difference being: In the B/B you have to PAY for the items you
want..while in Prof's website its available FREE OF COST sitting at
home.

Music lovers of old cine music are of different grades: like juniors;
then a sect little more than juniors; then another sect still
better..and so on till the really senior sect who try to search-n-
search something really serious and rare. Prof's job is to only DUMP
more-n-more cine songs from every available quarter ( and only those
that are 'missing' on his website) Thats what Hamraaz used to do for
his GKs .

Now ,my question to Prof is: In what way are you 'enlightening' the
ignorant music lovers about cine music? You have only put up the songs
on the website with their brief particulars. Where is the
ENLIGHTENMENT PART. Merely listening through the ears isn't enough. In
my sessions, I too play 28 songs every week . For every song , I
provide inputs briefly about song, like its tune, accompaniment-n-
comparisons ; or some titbits about the film concerned...which in
total makes the listening a pleasure. Besides, new numbers from the
OLD are a regular feature and are INTRODUCED to the listeners with
effective info.

See the difference. This difference is also EXISTING EVEN NOW on OTHER
WEBSITES on OLD CINE MUSIC.

Arer you aware of this, Profjee !
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I can show atleast one website , the moderator being Mr Saravanan.What
a wonderful man this person is? Every fortnight or so, he presents on
the website a new subject on cine music in depth analyses: Touches on
the film concerned and its singers /music In addition, he describes
the nuances in the song and additional titbit info about the MD or on
the song recordings. and follows all that up with: Now listen to this
song...The recording is very clear. The listener has every prior info
on hand whil;e listening to the song. Then he proceeds further on to
the next song in the same manner as stated above.

Profjee has to come up with new ideas to make listening a real
pleasure for music lovers with sustained inputs about the song .

Jay
30/5

Sri Jayaraman,

I think I understand what you have been trying to say. Or, in
today's idiom : "I know where you are coming from".

As a couple of other RMIMers have pointed out, the Professor
has already done a gigantic job, setting up a website and
collecting such a large number of songs. And all this has been
done single-handedly. In fact, his website can serve as the
starting point of a Movement For Appreciation Of Indian Film
Music.

Let us take an example from Urdu Poetry. Probably the best-known
Urdu poet Ghalib might have written about 17/18 hundred Urdu
ash'aar. But look at the number of books that have been written
about his poetry. Special Academies have been set up in India
and Pakistan to house thousands upon thousands of these books etc.

I suppose the case of Indian Film Music is of a similar nature.
Let us go by just one Music Director (Sajjaad Husain) whose output
is strictly limited. And search the archives of RMIM about what
people have had to say about him. There may be sources other than
RMIM where such opinions and analyses might have been recorded.
I suppose a small book can be written on Sajjaad by collecting all
this material.

What I am trying to say is that it is for others too to expand the
base already provided by Prof. Surjit Singh. All of us have our
own lives to lead. And the time available to each one of us is
strictly limited. No doubt, you do a tremendous job when you
provide a sort of running commentary during your music sessions.
And I have no doubt that these commentaries may be of paramount
significance in any discussion of IFM. But are these commentaries
recorded anywhere ? Are they available to any others, apart from
the 50-60 people who benefit from your sessions ? Will these be
available to posterity ? Please do not deem my comments as any
sort of criticism. These are in fact an earnest plea to someone
who I regard as a genuine and most knowledgable lover of IFM.

Instead of working at cross purposes, I feel you and the Professor
can amalgamate your energies in a joint pursuit. A beginning has
already been made --- you have started adding to the Professor's
Website collection of songs.

As a first step, I suggest you can have your running commentaries
recorded (by yourself) at these sessions. Alternatively, you can

I will be more that happy to put these on my website. I am even
willing to pay a reasonable amount for these as long as the full
original songs and the full commentary and any audience commets are
included in full.

write down your thoughts separately and share them with music
lovers, including RMIMers. I am sure these would constitute a
great source of music appreciation for the future.

Afzal

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