Re: this ng is on life support...


"A to the L" <atothel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:45:39 GMT, " bozak"
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"A to the L" <atothel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:59:03 GMT, " bozak"
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"A to the L" <atothel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:04:03 GMT, " bozak"
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"Seb" <seb@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:slrnfj22qs.51n.seb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On 2007-11-07, A to the L <atothel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Democracy is dead
American civil rights are dead

well those 2 are, for real...

no ***...

but hey, he has the right paint job so he probably doesnt notice as much...


classy...

do you deny that we could both go into the same establishment in this state
and i could be treated different because of my skin color???

this is a fact my man... when it doesn't happen to you, you are less likely
to notice it...

is that not true???

as a general blanket statement of course its true... but you know
enough about me (and hopefully something about my background) to know
that my circumstances are a little different...

a little...

for one, my family and I have been in the past subjected to abuse
based on religion (racial abuse's not-too-distant constant) throughout
my childhood... (please note - I'm never comparing the two, for as we
know skin color can't be hidden whereas religious identity usually
can)

so this was said as idle chit chat???

no it was said partly in jest, and partly in serious about the amount
of posts there has been on all the above statements in the past
week/month/year/years...

you call it the newsgroup dying off, I see it more as THOSE things
killing the newsgroup...

why should a motherfucker have to wade through all that *** to get to
the good posts?

that is just how usenet is... practically every group that i have posted
in has become just that over the years... most people who are down
with hiphop for one though want bells and whistles... they want to
put up cool little pictures that represent themselves and all kinds of
other bull***... usenet doesnt represent that... usenet is old school...
that being the case, you do generally know what happens to old
school right??? old school plays out, no matter what...

for two, you know what color my wife is, so to try to throw out
casually that I'm not aware of the difference between black and white
in florida, is just ridiculous - in certain (note the 'certain')
instances in this backwards ass place where I live, the interracial
couple gets even less (and definitely more suspicious looks from white
AND black parties) in certain establishments that a straight up black
couple...

dude, your wife is light skinned... the south has as much aparthied
going on as south africa... you being white and your girl being
high yellow is totally different than a black couple...

like I said... in CERTAIN places... the inter-racial thing is edgier
than a black couple...

for three, you know the history of why I came to be here, and the
struggles I've had with certain sections of the US government...

yet you still wanted to come here so apparently you dont think its
that bad...

what a cop out... with this type of attitude I could easily reply with
'You post so much about it being so ***, why do YOU still live here?'

its not a copout... she could have married you and you could have
lived in the UK, but neither one of you wanted that...

america in your mind has to be a better place... either that or
you were running away from your problems and this was
a good a place as any...

but I won't :)

I happened to think that moving here to be with my fiancee was worth
all the bull***. It doesn't mean to say that I like it or think its
'not that bad'...

it the UK was better im guessing the both of you would be there...


anyway, here's my issue which caused me to write what I wrote
earlier... (and please be aware before reading on that (a) some of
what I write may well be contradictory, (b) not all of it is directed
at bozak and (c) all of it can be answered with a 'just don't read
those posts then' - I know all of the above...

apparently what i said caused you to write it, so why wouldnt it
all be directed towards me???

because its not just you saying it... there's been a 'this group is
dead' post like this basically every other month (usually jammed in
between a Hiphop is dead rant from someone...)

they are saying it because it is true...

'This newsgroup is dead' posts are wack (so are 'on lifesupport'
posts.) As are 'Hiphop is dead' posts. The person who nailed this down
the best is actually quest... people move on, move away, come back...
but for the most part on rmhh the usual regulars are normally here (or
a lurk away), and while the volume of posts might slow down - the
spirit of the place is still here (on on last.fm) :)

they are so wack you decided to do a soliloquy because of one???
weird... this newsgroup is basically dead except for a few regulars
who post on the regular... it is a mere shadow of what it once was
when i first got here... like it or not, that is the truth...

so POST something of interest instead of encouraging flame wars...
don't get me wrong, we're ALL guilty of posting complete bobbins, but
better posting something of content than the same tired 'this spot is
wack posts'...

i do... but if i want to engage ned the assfucking bigot and fuck with
his head that is my perogative... nobody should have to ask you
whether or not its okay...

Same with Hiphop. Its only as dead as you want it to be. There's
plenty going on right now to meet every taste - what quest likes, I
might hate - and vice versa. Meanwhile bozak likes some of what Natty
cosigns but not that which TJ cosigns even though those two are the
resident 'under-the-radar C&S' experts.

i have never said that hiphop is dead... *** i dont even know who
said hiphop in here is dead... there are a few people who are genre
stuck, or era stuck, or just fucking stuck period... and what the fuck
is this *** about me co-signing what natty cosigns but not what tj
co-signs ***???

that was a general example... I didn't mean that you actually did
it... I could have put Luca there, or Tim...

What has quietly got my goat for a long time though is the fact that
even when Hiphop is in a lull, there's still PLENTY to talk about.
Unfortunately the ability to talk about these issues has been hampered
by the amount of trolls and crossposting going on in here, and like it
or boz... a lot of that is due to your crossposting in other
newsgroups.

dude your so full of it you burp ***... i have rarely crossposted
anything for a long time and just started back doing it...

bollocks... and why start again?

because some people are actually interested in it...

what you are really acting all prissy and bitch like about is because
i choose to respond to some of the crossposts that i dont create... and
that would be to *** with the bigots...

that's actually probaly some of it... I feel that a lot of these
'familiar' faces wouldn't be here unless they've been encouraged...
call it 'prissy' if you want, I just call it 'being fucking annoyed
about it'...

uh yeah they would, my posts to them are no big deal if you are
ignoring the thread...

but then again i can see why you and anybody else would just
have to read me... ;-)

So while I'm down for debating and talking about the issues of Dog
throwing the n-word around, the latest on Bush's trials and
tribulations, Obama's dancing on Ellen, and any number of serious AND
trivial issues I'd like to talk about them with my rmhh brethern ONLY.

thats you... that being the case... maybe you need to start your own
moderated group so only you and the people only you want to be
bothered with can converse with each other... i on the other hand like
peeping new posters or old... its all about content with me... not that
they have been around to kiss ass or co-sign everything ive said...
in essence, for me that would defeat the purpose of usenet...

I'm not saying that either... I'm saying that the good content is
being swamped by the bull***...

you just said what peeps are pissing you off about... you basically
said the ng is dieing... its being swamped because there isnt enough
content from people talking about hiphop...

because its fucking idiotic... i am the only person here who crossposts
in an effort for people to come together from different parts of society...

yay for the rainbow coalition...

one of the last things i crossposted was ccleaner... i also posted some
jessica alba ***... i also posted about this group "y society" not one
comment about it... i posted about rick rubin signing clipse... there was
one response to that post... back in the day rick rubin signing clipse
would have probably ended up being the thread of the month or
close to it... now, nothing... face the facts, this place is no where near
what it once was...

for you to lump my crossposts in with bigots who are trying to piss
people off is fucking ridiculous... others have said many times before
that they actually like it... not to mention, some of the *** that is
crossposted actually does have a hiphop connotation to it...

and many of them don't... if the subject of bush, or the lakers, or
the price of bread come up in here during a Hiphop post OR a Hiphop
member of the group posts something in it, OR some new cat strolls
through and drops some knowledge on something then that's COOL AS
***...


however commonly this is what happens...

-OT post by bozak on bush
-post by suntzu (he ALWAYS replies on that political ***)
-and then just when the *** starts to get interesting a gang of
complete fucking tools hijack the thread because you crossposted it to
god knows where and the whole point of is lost...

please... you know where i crosspost too... the only two places
have been the lakers or niners ng... and its no where near what
i use to do back in the day and you know this...

You know what? I KNOW where the ignore poster button is. I KNOW where
the ignore thread button is too. I shouldn't need to use it on rmhh.

bull***... this is fucking usenet... the only reason you notice this
*** a lot more is because there are so few posts about rap...
which means guess what, this NG is on life support... its almost
dead...

*yawn* right back atcha...

cant knock the hustle, er front on the truth...

Yes, its public forum and anyone can post here, and of course there's
going to spam and garbage from blow-ins (who quickly blow-out when
ignored)... but this is ongoing and long-going.

*yawn*

I'd love to talk about the death, life support, or life of all 5 of
the things I posted (there goes the contradictions I spoke about), but
I'd prefer to talk about those things with people I have a past
relationship with (nh), who I know their posting history, and who I
know at the root of any disagreements with shares some kind of common
ground in the fact that we're coming from a Hiphop background. As
opposed to someone who's only background-share with me is the fact
that we don't like Kobe.

then go ahead and create al's.buddies.only.rec.hiphop, so you will feel all
nice and safe in your warm cocoon...

it ain't about that at all... why when someone says something to you
that either touches a nerve or looks like it touches a nerve do you
have to take things to the most extreme examples?

of course, its usenet... thats the beauty of it... people have to actually
think about whether the person is really mad about some *** people
are saying... by now most know i dont get mad over this ***, never
have... rap and sports is nothing to get upset about... politics and what
is happening to this country... of course...

its not about me creating a new group - if you can't see any small
element of truth in anything I've typed then that's your own issue...

i see that you are banging your head against the wall for the umpteenth
time... the truth of the matter is the truth of the matter, this newsgroup
is dieing a slow death... usenet appears to be dieing a slow death... their
are just way to many other options that people think are cooler than
usenet... which is pretty sad imo...

hey, what the *** do I know - keep bringing on the lunatics in
here... maybe more posts from Rob Cypher and co are what's needed to
get this *** back on its feet and off life support

see thats the difference between you and me, i had to just go look
through the ng to figure out who the hell rob cypher is... i rarely
read any of his ***... i think he goes by another name that i cant
think of right now...

and it was wack as ***, let me tell you..

*plonk*

(isn't that what your buddies from the other NG like to say?)

uhhh yeah, they rule... ;-)


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