Re: the N word


purrffecttbliss wrote:
On 7 Jul 2006 07:30:56 -0700, "boumtje" <boumtje@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


purrffecttbliss wrote:
What if the boys were also calling all the girls "bitches" because
they hear it in songs? If it didn't seem to pose any real problems
among the students, would you still allow it?

nah, i wouldn't...i can't imagine that not posing problems with at
least some of the girls though..not really the same as this situation


If the girls didn't mind, would you still allow it?

well, i should point out that i'm not actually a teacher at this
school...i'm just an aide...so it's not really up to me to allow or
forbid anything...if i see kids fighting, i break it up...if i hear a
kid putting another kid down, i tell him to knock it off...i'm more
like a big brother than an authority figure

so, to answer your question...if the boys were calling girls bitches, i
would tell them not to even if the girls didn't seem to mind...but it's
easy to explain that "bitch" is a bad word because 99% of people in
this country would regard it as an insult

Not your situation.....but I've faced this a lot. Girls (often best
friends) try to call each other bitch all the time here. Should I
simply allow it because they don't seem to mind?

I was watching Lil Kim's "Countdown to Lockdown" and noticed that one
of Kim's black A&R people repeatedly called her asian PR person
"Eggroll". What if the african kids picked that up and started
calling all the asian kids "eggroll"? Would you allow it?

again, no...but again, it's not really the same...if they're just
calling the asian kids "eggroll" then it's obviously a racial slur...in
the situation i'm talking about, kids of all races are using the word
with each other...the african kids have even been calling the asian and
european kids "***"


It really shouldn't matter who is saying it to whom.

It actually is the same thing in the sense that there are people who
are offended by the word ***. These kids don't seem to be.....but
they should at least be made aware that there are some in the world
who are and that it's not a good idea to go around arbitrarily
repeating everything that you hear.

What if the kids were calling each other "faggots" and "pussies"?
Would you allow it?

i hear that kind of stuff pretty regularly and always say something
without making a big deal out of it


You could easily do the same w/ the word "***". That is, if you
truly wanted to.

when i hear kids using words like "***" and "***", it usually
means there's gonna be a fight if someone doesn't step in...they never
use words like that in a friendly way

if i thought an iraqi kid was using "***" to insult an ethiopian
kid, i'd react the same way...actually, i'd make more of it because we
have to be careful about racial stuff...there's already been some
trouble between middle-eastern and african kids, so we have to stay on
top of that ***

but when a sudanese kid says to his best friend "gimme the ball, ***"
with a smile on his face, i don't know if i need to do or say anything

Rappers curse a lot in their records. Would you allow the kids to use
that type of language toward each other in front of you or toward you,
for that matter?

on the basketball court, i don't reprimand kids for their language...i
do in the classroom, obviously...outside the classroom, i only get
involved if they're swearing at someone else in an aggressive
manner...if someone misses an open jump shot and says "***!", i let it
go


In my old HS and at all of the PAL games that I've been to, if the ref
heard it, he'd call a technical foul. Heven't some NBA players been
fined for cussing on the court during a game?

A casual game among friends on a **PARK PLAYGROUND** is different
from a school playground. Kids need to learn when and where certain
things are tolerated and/or appropriate where they are not. Again,
street language really needs to be left in the street. It has no
place in a school setting. Once you start allowing it, you're opening
yourself up to a host of other disciplinary problems later on down the
line within that school setting.

yeah, this is a good point

still leaves me the problem of how to get that through to these kids
without sounding and feeling like a dickhead

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