Re: OT: YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

alexrinse wrote:
>> Hmmm... Some of your fellow Kopites aren't so certain of his injuries
>> (neither is Rafa to be fair.)
>
> No, he wasn't, nor was I, but several doctors disagree, this is my
> sole basis for giving him the season to prove his worth. You don't go
> off a CL final because you can't be arsed, whatever your attitude. The
> way he was jeered by the "fans" was a fucking disgrace.

It wasn't just that game they were booing him for... He's been pretty
useless since the day you signed him. Personally I think it was justified...

>> That's slowly what seems to be happening to people now, although if
>> the league performances pick up he'll be the perfect manager again
>> in some eyes.
>
> Well, we're doing well in the CL again and won our last couple of
> league games. Despite this, the football has been poor. I get every
> EPL and CL game over here and I'd rather watch West Ham or Citeh for
> entertainment, TBH. Best performance of the season was Anderlecht
> away. Check their recent CL record.

The League is the most important thing though and you've won the
'Premiership' as many times as we have.

>> Rafa paid £2m more for him (if I remember right.) Our offer had been
>> accepted and was public knowledge, so why he felt he had to pay that
>> much more I don't know. You could have equalled the bid and beat us
>> for the signature. It was an odd transfer which I'm glad happend
>> because as you say he's failed to impress so far.
>
> No, he has impressed, excuse me mangled English. I've watched every
> minute he's played so far, he's a talent, seriously.

Well... We'll see.

I disagree at the moment though because I've not been impressed so far and
I'm glad we didn't sign him.

>> There would have been chaos if he'd gone. The Kop would have seen
>> Owen, Fowler and Gerrard leave in a relatively short space of time,
>> I think it would have been the final straw.
>
> Owen gave the club a bad hand on both his departure and return. Some
> of the fans' bile that came out over Gerrard though...... see bottom
> for my opinions of football fans.

The fans were justified against Gerrard, it was worse than Rooney's sale
(which was corrupt as ***), it was another local lad who declared his
undying love for the club then saying "Ah *** it, who wants to give me some
money? It's *** here..."

24 hours pass which included a few phones calls to him...

"Oh wait... You want to give this and that... Oh fine... I LOVE THIS CLUB
IT'S THE BEST!"

>> The one that puzzles me is Cisse. He's the best striker at the club,
>> the one who is scoring, yet he gets played out of position and it
>> seems like he's being forced out of the club.
>
> Rafa seems to have his favourites doesn't he? Or maybe he just likes a
> yes-man. Baros gone, Cisse next? Lord of the Manor of Frodshom is
> loved by the fans, even those who are not taken by his finishing
> prowess.

Baros was another mercenary, good riddence... Cisse should be kept though.

> If you had strikers who were scoring I might
>> understand it but neither Crouch or Morientes are doing the
>> business. Plus Cisse is standing firm and saying he doesn't want to
>> leave (which would make him a favourite of mine if I was unfortunate
>> enough to support the RS.)
>
> Yep. Morientes has never been prolific, check his stats. Again we pass
> up the opportunity to bring in Anelka, who has repeatedly tried to
> join the club.

He did well when he was there but I wouldn't have Anelka for love nor
money... No commitment at all, he'll bang them in for a few months then come
up with some bull*** about the club and want to *** off and never play the
same again.

>> I'm not a Scouser either but have a few RS friends over there and
>> they are in denial, well maybe they're not and their taunts of
>> "We've won it so many times we don't have to give it back!" are just
>> covering up the cracks, they never admitted Houllier was *** until
>> after he'd left...
>
> It's difficult to admit that you team is now a Bolton, a Spurs, etc...

If Evertonians were RS it would be "We've only been out of the top flight of
the English football league for 4 seasons in it's entire existance, no one
else has been in the top flight more than us or got more league points,
therefore it's our title no matter who wins it... What do you mean we're
near the relegation zone? That's just called rebuilding, don't you know
anything about football?"

As it is though, from Toffeeweb's guide to Everton FC...

'One-time "Mersey Millionnaires" at the leading edge of the English game,
Everton is now a club living off an illustrious history and struggling to be
recognised as mediocre as opposed to perennial relegation strugglers.'

See... It may hurt but it's not that hard to do...

>> See... you're at it! :-)
>
> Of course....
>
>> Were Liverpool even at the final other than to defend (which they
>> did poorly in the first half)?
>>
>> Then you played for a total of about 9 minutes and then had
>> virtually 11 men in your own half for the rest of the game.
>
> ......You're not going to get any LFC fans to start analysing whether
> they deserved it or not. This is the European Cup. It's hardly as if
> it papers over the cracks in our league form.

LOL

Yeah they never use it and forgot about being the 2nd team in Merseyside or
5th in the Premiership do they? ;-)

Not one RS I know will ever talk about their league position last season
without starting it with something along the lines of "Well we were in
Istanbul and it looked like we were beat... Did you see the game?"

>> The game against Chelsea?
>>
>> You should never have gone through.
>
> First leg was a stalemate, second we got lucky. If you're talking
> about the performance, we defended the whole game, Chelsea did not
> score. If you refer to the goal, send Cech off and give us a
> penalty, same score, different game. That's football. The ball never
> crossed the line in 1966, the score was 2-0 and Geoff Hurst is a ***
> who has lived off it ever since.

How do you know you would have scored the penalty though? :-)

>> There were too many lucky events... Conspiracy theories are in
>> abundance over it all I can tell you
>
> Yes, well.....
>
> (especially with the manner you 'qualified' for
>> the CL this season and the way in which we were knocked out of the
>> CL.)
>
> It was against the rules, but UEFA were under a lot of pressure, party
> their own fault. I was happy, but I can admit that they did not
> qualify under last seasons rules.

Corruption... that's all it was ;-)

> What about Everton?

Dunc scored an equaliser in the 2nd leg against Villarreal which would have
taken the tie to extra time (which would have suited us as we were taking
control of the game.) Collina didn't allow it due to a foul nobody else
(either in the stands, on the TV or on the pitch) saw.

He's recently said it was for a foul by Bent but seeing as he was busy being
dragged to the floor at the time it's a bit hard to see what he's on
about...

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/index.php?page_id=8077

Of course it had nothing to do with the fact UEFA wanted Liverpool in the CL
but the FA wouldn't back down, so UEFA were left with the possibility of 5
English teams in the competition (making their decision to let the RS in
look even more corrupt and could possibly be used in any legal action Slavia
Prague were threatening at the time over their decision to let the RS in)...
Send in the man who everyone seems to think is the best ref in the world and
make sure he doesn't let the Toffees win, no one will question his
judgement...

Except they did and he retired very soon after the game.

After the injustice of our previous disqualification from the top European
club competition (and resulting decline from grace) it's easy to see why we
think there's something a little more sinister behind the decision...

Then again many RS blame the Police, the Italians and/or Chelsea fans for
that, it can't have been their fans... Dickheads.

>> I know i'm generalising BUT most RS fans have this overwhelming
>> arrogance about them, it's quite sickening and the reason I wanted
>> you to lose the CL final last year.
>
> I feel the same about England. I was brought up there with Scottish
> parents. I have an English accent, all my friends, etc. I
> fundamentally am English. However, drummed into our heads at an Early
> age was that you support the team in blue. Fair dos. I wish I could
> like the England team, but I cannot stand the media and public
> arrogance that goes with the team. The 5-1 drubbing of Germany was a
> dark day.

The Scots are hardly blameless in that exchange though.

I was in Edinburgh during the last European Championships and it wasn't a
pleasent experience being an Englishman then.

It's a chicken and egg scenario...
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