Re: Fox News sinks to new low

On Jun 20, 2:12 pm, "Carlisle" <carrie-...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Floyd L. Davidson" <fl...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in messagenews:87k5gk581r.fld@xxxxxxxxxxxxx



Carlisle <carrie-...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 19, 10:19 am, "Richard Morris" <jrmor...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
"Carlisle" <carrie-...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
Sure, global warming is the bigger threat (and impacting polar bears
already) but I can't see how opening ANWR to drilling *won't* have an
impact on the polar bears and other wildlife. The arctic is extremely
fragile.

Have you been to ANWR? Are you aware of the advanced technologies
which can bring out oil and gas with minimal impact to the 19 plus
million of acres of frozen tundra?

--------------------------------------------------

Plagiarist.

I looked up how many acres of property is in ANWR for a usenet post!

It is not 19 million plus acres of frozen tundra.

Care to answer the question paps or are you just going to sit there
and cast dingleberry aspersions? nevermind, I already know!

None of you have been to ANWR (and going there isn't
going to cure the ignorance of people who see not value
in anything that isn't money), and none of you seem to
have a perspective on what it is and what it isn't.

The idea that "advanced technologies" can be used with a
"minimal" impact is simply ridiculous. Oil fields are
an environmental disaster area almost by definition.
The question is *always* whether it is or is not worth
the sacrifice.

I don't buy your premise about the kinds of exploration technology that have
been created to conform to the environmental standards and laws of the last
30 plus years as not making a vital difference. If your thesis is that all
exploration and drilling for oil is "by definition an environmental
disaster", then I can see why you would never consider dropping another foot
of pipeline anywhere in Alaska.

Just as you've never been to ANWR, I'd bet a beer or three you've
never been in any kind of heavy industrial environment before. Not a
Saturn or a Ford auto plant, but a chemical plant, a refinery or a
steel mill. Or seen one that wasn't photographed by company PR
people.
Maybe crude oil could be extracted from a remote wilderness area
without all the fuss, muss and untidy dead flora and fauna, but it's
not likely, despite all those cutesy "People Do" ads that Chevron puts
out. The Chevron refinery two miles west of me (right next to the
General Chemical plant) violates EPA standards pretty regularly, tells
OSHA inspectors to *** off when accidents occur, etc. This is in the
middle of a major media center where poor communities nearby have high
asthma rates and respiratory illness that many believe are due, at
least in part, to the airborne effluvium these two plants kick out. We
are subjected 2-3 times a year to "shelter in place" warnings when
accidents occur--go inside and shut all doors and windows. These folks
don't seem to think that the humans that live near their plants are
worth cleaning up for. And you seriously think they give a *** about
some goddamn caribou and bears that are 300 miles from the nearest
reporter and camera crew?
No, of course you don't really believe that. In all sincerity, you
don't have the remotest idea what it takes to extract crude oil.
What "advanced technologies" would be used that wouldn't tear up
forests and rivers and disrupt migration routes? Because those are the
first things that are going to be torn up when roads have to be built
to access this remote wilderness *just to explore* for drill sites.
Before a single well is sunk, a pristine wilderness would have to be
cut up for roads and a huge increase in human habitation that the
workforce would entail. Power and sanitation and supply/support will
leave a huge footprint on that land...before even a single well is
drilled, before even a single gallon of crude is pumped.
If you know of some technological innovations that I haven't heard of--
some way to move tens of thousands of feet of drill pipe and hundreds
of miles of pipeline pipe and hundreds/thousands of workers and all
their needs into a roadless wilderness--please share your knowledge,
because I'm thinking that you're, well, being just a tad disingenuous
with that whole line of thought.
Is that possible?
.