Re: Disgusted-Ain't America Great######

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 02:57:37 -0700 (PDT), Carlisle
<carrie-cox@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 2, 11:07 am, Ray <rayb...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 2, 7:13 am, Carlisle <carrie-...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

. Alternatives are just not there yet in taking over our
gas/fuel based economy, not anywhere close. Maybe a huge federal push
can speed things along.

Exactly.

how much affect does
the POTUS even have on gas and home heating prices given current
realities?

See above - you just answered your own question.

Will that transition away from our oil addiction (even Bush
characterized it as such) happen painlessly or overnight?  No.  This
is a long-term solution and there will be winners and losers - just as
any real solution will be,

Ok I'm done here.

You are so patient, man to take the time to explain common sense and
truth to a rube like me. So it's a given that coal power is going to
be a big loser in this crusade against climate change.. Btw, when will
we know when we have actually won the fight against global warming/
climate change? The following article refers some of the losers you
mentioned in this elite crusade.

http://www.desertdispatch.com/opinion/global_3006___article.html/warming_tax.html

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p1845.htm
(19,000 scientists have signed this petition, are they all stooges?)

Yes (so are you):

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medicine

Or:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

After the petition appeared, the National Academy of Sciences said in
news release that "The NAS Council would like to make it clear that
this petition has nothing to do with the National Academy of Sciences
and that the manuscript was not published in the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences or in any other peer-reviewed
journal."[11] It also said "The petition does not reflect the
conclusions of expert reports of the Academy." The NAS further noted
that its own prior published study had shown that "even given the
considerable uncertainties in our knowledge of the relevant phenomena,
greenhouse warming poses a potential threat sufficient to merit prompt
responses. Investment in mitigation measures acts as insurance
protection against the great uncertainties and the possibility of
dramatic surprises."

In May 1998 the Seattle Times wrote:

?Several environmental groups questioned dozens of the names: "Perry
S. Mason" (the fictitious lawyer?), "Michael J. Fox" (the actor?),
"Robert C. Byrd" (the senator?), "John C. Grisham" (the
lawyer-author?). And then there's the Spice Girl, a k a. Geraldine
Halliwell: The petition listed "Dr. Geri Halliwell" and "Dr.
Halliwell."

Asked about the pop singer, Robinson said he was duped. The returned
petition, one of thousands of mailings he sent out, identified her as
having a degree in microbiology and living in Boston. "It's fake," he
said.[15]

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JimK
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