Re: David Lemieux takes Charm School lessons from Bob Weir

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:35:00 -0700, volkfolk <volkfolk1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Aug 29, 8:57 am, JimK <jkezwind@comcastDOTnet> wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:39:13 -0700, volkfolk <volkfo...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:





On Aug 28, 3:58 pm, "Neil X." <nei...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
mr rapidan wrote:

My guess is that DL made the mp3s available on purpose (suspecting
that eventually they might be made unavailable or else knowing that
they'd eventually be made unavailable) and now he's just doing his job
and toeing the line. It's also possible that he's got his dream of
working with all the music and nothing else matters and never did. Or
somewhere in between.

The reality of the situation is this: when Rhino and the band decided
to no longer permit SBDs to be downloaded from the archive, they
thought that would be sufficient to protect their own economic
interests in selling items from the Vault. They figured that folks
would care that the pm3s and streams were compressed files of inferior
audio quality, but the Rhino releases would have exquisite sound
quality.

Thing is, they were wrong.

Most music consumers really don't seem to give a crap about the sound
quality of what they're listening to, and an mp3 is just as fine for
their music listening purposes as a WAV file of a multitrack master.
This might especially be true of Deadheads, who have nostalgia for the
crappy sound quality audience recordings that they came of age
listening to "back in the day." It appears most Deadheads just don't
care about sound quality to nearly the extent that Rhino would hope
they did.

So Rhino has found that the existence of downloadable mp3s is having
nearly as much negative effect on their sales potential as making
uncompressed SBDs available did. So they stopped their employee,
Lemieux, from allowing downloads. I wouldn't be surprised if mp3s
disappear from the archive soon, too.

You can still get all the sbds in vbr mp3 from the archive -
It's not vbr 0, it's something less (how do you determine *which* vrbr
level was used to encode a file?), so I'll just go back to that for my
easy, ready-to-go mp3s. I won't be buying any more official dead
stuff, I don't need it, and I only want to buy it from a company
that's smart enough and nice enough to keep something as minor as 192k
mp3s available.

I don't really understand why this business decision should make folks
angry enough not to buy their products. They were nice enough to make
the stuff available for free for years. They never promised to do it
forever. But hey, if cutting off your nose to spite your face is what
rocks your boat, more power to you. Better get all the compressed
files as you can from the archive, they may be going soon.

Peace,
Neil X.

Because they OWE it to us man#######

*** all of you ungrateful, greedy, entitled whiners. It's their
music, they have the right to do what they want with it,

And you have the right to not buy it. It seems eminently fair to me

Scot

I get your point and generally agree, but I don't if it's really a
fair statement in this case. Most of us agree that the Dead and
whoever else owns the rights to the music can do what they want with
it. But the question is not whether they can restrict the
dissemination of their music but whether they should. In this case, it
just doesn't seem to make much sense.

JimK

Maybe, but it just seems like there is a sense of entitlement that
permeates certain circles.
They own it, They can do what they want with it. They have been
incredibly generous with it over the years.. Lots of people sound like
five year olds being told that they can't have another bowl of ice
cream

It's my opinion, and you are welcome to yours, but don't expect me to
change my opinion, I don't take things without permission, and I hold
a dim view of that behavior in others. We all need to decide on what
behaviors we are going to engage in, and I have. Others are free to do
the same,
but it is an unreasonable expection to expect that I am not going to
voice my opinion about something which rubs me the wrong way.

Whether or not it makes sense isn't germaine to anything. It is what
it is. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. It's their decision

Scot

Well, you still seem to be missing the point. Yes, whoever owns the
music has the right to do with it what they will. No, we're not
"entitled" to anything. I think most of us understand and, in general,
agree with that. But the specific issue here is whether it's always a
good decision, both morally and financially, to go overboard with
restricting access to the music. The fact that "It's their decision"
doesn't mean nobody can express an opinion about whether it's a wise
decision. So whether the decision makes sense or not is entirely
germaine to this discussion. No band has ever given so much so freely
to its fans, and no fans have ever given so much to a band. So in my
opinion, we do have a say in all this even if it's not the final say.

JimK
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