Re: FOTD


"volkfolk" <volkfolk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Bill" <aa@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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"volkfolk" <volkfolk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote

I especially like him giving me *** for "liking New Age music" and
then
posting a clip of Muriel Anderson that sounds like a freaking George
Winston
tribute band

Its quite apparent you have very little real musical sense. You know
notes
but don't know sound. Like Garcia, Muriel and the cellist in that piece
have
a sense for the *sounds* being produced.

You, OTOH, are so clueless to *sounds* you think Garcia's picking on the
electric is one and the same with his picking on acoustic. Apparently
you've
never heard the word *tone* before - or if you have, never learned what
the
word actually meant.

Tone is EVERYTHING in playing an instrument. And Garcia's is instantly
recognizable and consistent. And the acoustic guitar is a much more
difficult instrument to acheive good tone on. You obviously don't
understand
that.

Yeah, I don't understand because you're hitting me with some incredibly
complicated concepts. NOT!

The point I've been making is that the tone he got on the electric is far
superior to the tone he got on the acoustic. It doesn't matter why (such as
it's much easier to get a good tone on the electric), it just matters that
he did.


And I am still waiting for you to provide me specific examples (Tracks
from specific CD's and or Concerts) where he "flubbed" or didn't have good
tone.

Here's a youtube vid of GG doing So What from Dec, '90 at the Sweetwater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tK1TjTmXvU

That vid features great acoustic playing by Jerry - no argument from me on
that. But if you listen to it, you'll notice that sometimes the notes in the
same run (so that he's not purposely trying to have them be different in
volume) are real loud and sometimes they are a lot less so.

That variation in volume (again, of notes in the same run) is due to some
notes being muted to varying degrees. Notes didn't get muted on the electric
to anywhere close to that magnitude - they were, as far as the human ear
goes, flawless (nonmuted).


It's much easier to hide a mistake on Electric than it is on Acoustic

It's not that's easier to hide a mistake, it's that, due to it being an
electric guitar and relying on the electronics to amplify the sound, it's
easier to hit flawless notes (at least as far as the human ear goes).

An acoustic is much more physical work to play and the varying degrees of
muted sounds is evidence of that. I take my hat off to Garcia to playing it
as well as he did but it's absurd to claim that the level of mutedness of
the acoustic is not greater than of the electric. The video above shows
that clearly despite it containing great playing from Garcia.

and
there were plenty of times in concert where Garcia flubbed a change or
didn't nail it, especially in the later years.

As far as the electric guitar goes, I'm not talking about him playing in the
later years.

It was part of his charm and
the excitment of what made the Dead the Dead. and Garcia,. Garcia. I've
spent THIRTY years studying Garcia's tone, technical, approach, tricks,
and
overall philosophy regarding music in general and the guitar specificly.
I
have read just about every interview
That he ever gave on the subject. Unlike you I am not just pulling this
stuff out of thin air.

I'm not pulling *** out of the air - I've backed up everything I've said.
I've read, as far as I know, every Garcia interview that appeared in
nationally and Bay Area magazines. And I've read all the books on him and of
course I've been listening to him for 30 years so we're identical in that
department.


Better ditch all the useless theory you're so fond of, and go buy
yourself
an ear and use it so you can start actually hearing the sounds in music
for
a change. Until you actually learn to have an appreciation for the sound
being produced, you are not a musician.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! OK Bill I'll do that.#######

If you can't recognize that notes on an acoustic are a lot less muted than
on an electric, then you're not listening well enough - that's all I'm
saying.


You have absolutely no reading comprehension skills if you think that I'm
just about theory or lack the ability to appreciate good music.

The fact that you can't recognize Garcia's muted notes on acoustic
guitar
is
proof that, despite all your training, you have never developed musical
listening skills - and until you get that, you won't ever impress very
many
people.

You're a fucking nitwit. You've never heard me play, and know nothing
about
what people who have heard me play think of my playing.

Instead of having a seizure, if you were to get what I'm saying, it might
make you a better player. The point is the quality of each and every note is
important.

What separated Garcia, besides his great playing, was the incredible rich
pure tone of each and every note he got on the electric. For various
reasons, it's much easier to get flawless, nonmuted notes on the electric
than the acoustic and that's why his electric guitar playing, in terms of
the quality of the sounds hitting the ear of the listener, of a higher
quality than his acoustic playing.

If anyone wants to be an exceptional player, each note must be as high as
quality as possible. No matter who the player is, that's generally easier
on an electric.

Despite that, I prefer to play an acoustic myself because imperfect tones I
can live with but if I am listening to someone else, it is much more
important.

This is just one
more example of your total idiocy when it comes to this subject.

If you think it's idiocy, get a recording of Garcia, find an oscilloscope
(or something that would do a Fourier analysis of each note) and look at the
frequencies (fundamentals plus harmonics) of notes played by Garcia on 1)
electric guitar and 2) acoustic guitar. That would reveal the muted nature
of many of the notes on an acoustic and why the quality of the sound from
his playing electric guitars was much higher than from his playing acoustic
guitars.

Bill




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