Re: Bush planning nuke attack on Iran?


"leftie" <no@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Neil X. wrote:

Everybody's Gonna Be Happy wrote:

Name one recent contribution to the world that came from the Muslim
world.
One medical breakthrough, one technological advance, one groundbreaking
improvement in human rights or the rule of law. Just one.

India doesn't count; they have Hindus, who are cool.

I'm quite interested in Toad's challenge. Can any of the Muslim
apologists in this thread answer it?

To point out that Toad's assertion that 'most Muslims are anti-modernity'
is factually incorrect, perjoratve stereotype

Its undeniable fact. Name all the Muslim countries in which the rule of law
(not sharia law), human rights, personal freedom, a love of education, and
economic progress rule the day. If any exist, and I say there are zero,
what % of the Muslim world enjoys living in that country or countries?

does not make one a "Muslim apologist."

It makes one ignorant.

To discuss the problems of the Middle East, or Africa for that matter,
without a discussion of the legacy of colonialism in creating those
problems serves only to create further misunderstanding.

Everybody was a colony, including us. We had a revolution based on the
values of the Age of Enlightenment. That was 250 years ago. Still nothing
comparable in the backward, primitive Muslim world.

Yes, Iraq isn't responding to nationalist urges in a way that serves US
interests. This is because Iraq is a fiction created by colonial powers
that was held together only by force. If that leaves Iraq in a position
where it is not making "technological breakthroughs" at the moment it is
not because its people are "anti-modernity" -- even if they are becoming
progressively anti-West. It is in large part a legacy of colonialism --
and the actions of a neo-colonialist superpower -- at play here.

Yes, that does play a part. So do primitive tribes, a history of brutal
civil violence, and a backward religion.

Furthermore, to hold the history of the United States up as some sort of
superior standard of nationalist development ("from the age of reason")
without reference to the genocide of the Indians or slavery or Jim Crow is
to reveal a jingoistic impulse, not an honest, historically-grounded
discussion.

Sorry, don't have room here to write a history book. There is no need for
anyone to list every evil perpetrated by one group to be able to criticize
another.

If you want to start a thread bashing the Iraq War, the Trail of Tears,
Wounded Knee, Dred Scott, go ahead. I'll be right behind you.

EGBH


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