Re: Impeach...

On 2006-01-29, DG <xfssf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Spider Dawg wrote:
>>
>>DG wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, right... The abolition of slavery was/is not about "freedom"!!!
>>
>>Slavery sucks, the Confederates wanted slavery, no dispute there. But
>>the civil war was not started solely over slavery or freedom,
>
>
> Then what was it?

Secession. Preservation of the Union. Teaching the puny states that the
Feds had the real power, and teaching the agricultural
states that the industrial states had the real power.

>It also wasn't started over a lollipop. I can give
> you hundreds of reasons why it didn't start.

You already gave one reason why it didn't start: freedom of slaves.
That's the only one being disputed.

>>the Emancipation
>>Proclamation didn't occur until 2 years *after* the start of the war,
>>and Lincoln himself said that he never would have considered it if he
>>thought he could win the war otherwise. He freed the slaves to keep the
>>Euros from siding with the Confederates, who were thought to be about to
>>do so in order to get shipments of cotton. The EP was limited to
>>"rebellious states" and was *exempted* in border states and those that
>>had come under Northern control. It was about winning the war, and
>>allowing the freed slaves to enlist in the Union army. The Emancipation
>>Proclamation ensured that the war *became* a war for freedom, and
>>*added* moral force to the Union's cause.
>
>
> Sounds like a well thought out strategy.

.....which occured *well after* the start of the war.

>>As much as slavery sucks, it's still not a good reason to re-write
>>history no matter how warm it makes you feel inside, or how popular it
>>has become to do so.
>
>
> What have I written that "re-write[s] history"?

Have you not written that the American Civil War was about freedom and
abolition of slavery? I'm not going to deny that was an influence, but the
war was much more than the battle between good and evil that's popular
to believe. This country was founded on the basis of the states
governing themselves, but once the Revolution was over the Feds began
their power trip, starting with the Whiskey Tax and subsequent Whiskey
Rebellion. I doubt that most Southeners wanted anything to do with the
Union in the first place. They reluctantly agreed to "join up" in order to
kick out the Brits, but by 1861 they, like Joe, had had enough of the
Fed's shit, so to speak. We're outta here. No you're not.

Of course you're no fool and know all of this already, why you pretend
otherwise I'm not sure. White hate? Guilt? Do you believe that northern
white folks gave a shit about blacks, and their motives had nothing to do
with losing revenue from cotton taxes?

Jim
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