Re: Impeach...

Carlisle wrote:
> The Iron Muffin wrote:
> > Carlisle wrote:
> > > The Iron Muffin wrote:

> > > > For Carrie, opinions = facts.
> > >
> > > Dear Mystery Muffin,
> > > Why do you keep saying that?
> >
> > Because it's true. You seem to think that because some right-wing
> > blog expresses an opinion that differs from the facts, the facts are
> > somehow in dispute. It just ain't so, and no amount of editorials
> > from the Wall Street Journal op/ed rag will make it so.
>
> Did I say it does??

Yes. Every time that you claim that the lies and misleading propaganda
you are so fond of linking to are "in the interest of having a balanced
viewpoint", even in the face of incontrovertable evidence that they are
dead wrong factually, you give opinion equal footing with fact.

Lies and deception simply do not "balance" facts.

> I merely have put the WSJ (of which I have my own differences with)
> a few times out there as *food for thought*,

Deception and propaganda make for a poor diet.

> I have never said that I have a corner on *the truth*

We are not talking about *the truth*. We are talking about fact and
how it differs from opinion.

> and I don't belittle people who have different opinions than me!

Not even Ken Fortenberry? How about mr rapidan? For that matter,
how about me? Was that comment about my girlfriend (or lack thereof)
not "belittling"? If not, how would you characterize it?

> > > ...how am I different than any others who posts opinions around
> > > here?
> >
> > Sadly, you're not. There are several other people around here who
> > also constantly spout off about stuff they have no clue about. I call
> > them on their bull***, too...or I ignore them.
>
> Sadly? *heh*

Yes, sadly. I find that people who have very little to say often manage
to find a way to say it using a whole lot of words.

> You just happen to disagree with some of the opinions I've stated.

It's not our difference in opinion that bothers me. It's your lack of
discernment between fact and opinion, and your willingness to lend
credence to that which is obviously and demonstrably untrue.

> If I was a traditional Bush basher, we wouldn't have a problem no
> matter how big of a simpleton I was...

Again, while I do disagree with some of the opinions you have stated,
that is not the source of the problem here. The problem lies in the way
that you are willing to entertain as potentially valid that which has been
conclusively proven to be false, and in the way that you ignore the
facts that undermine your precious opinions.

An open mind is one that is willing to change, and you don't seem
open to anything that might actually inform your views. You seem
far more interested in promoting the opinions of people who have no
regard for what is true and what is not true, and who tell you the
things that you want to hear, like "you should be afraid, but we can
make you safe".

> > > ..Don't answer, I realize you're still sore with me.
> >
> > What gives you that impression? In point of fact, I simply dislike
> > it when people speak from ignorance, as you all too often do.
>
> Give me an example.

Does the phrase "American-trained Contra death squads" ring a bell?

How about "warrantless wiretaps are illegal"?

> If you want to argue a point, OK..

I think you're missing the point. It is your willing blindness to fact
that makes any argument between us necessary in the first place.

> but are you going to put me in with DGDevin, bradish, Chris
> and whoever else that you hang out and wait for the opportunity
> to snipe and toss smartass comments towards?

That all depends on how open your mind really is.

> Have at it. You'll eventaully look like the one with the problem.

Oddly enough, only people like Don "Nuke Mexico" Goodwin,
DGDishonest, Hateful Narc, Chris Heresy, and that fool from
Grapefruit Ed seem to feel that way about me. That isn't a list
that you should be eager to join.

> > > Listen, you really need to expand your vocabulary on this
> > > message board of late. You have lots of "IAAHSWYPII"
> > > and plenty-o "Heh*'s.
> >
> > #Gee, thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to give it all due
> > consideration.#
> >
> > You really need to get it through your head that you're a complete
> > newbie here. Simply glomming on to Dave Kelly doesn't make you
> > a well-respected regular poster. You have to *earn* those wings.
> > There's a reason why people around here append a "(tm im)" when
> > they say "heh"...and I make no apologies for the fine tradition of
> > pointing out heiney sex references.
>
> Dave Kelly is not my only friend around here, hombre.

It certainly seems that your attempts to establish yourself in this group
have been largely focused around him. Isn't he the one who lured you
here from rec.music.phish with the promise of a spanking?

> I don't have to *earn* anything.

Maybe that's part of your problem.

> This is a Grateful Dead message board not Skull & Bones and I have
> as much right to be here as you.

Yeah, but you gotta go through me to get a decoder ring. If you were
paying attention, you would know that by now.

> Fine say *heh*, I do...Make heiny sex jokes, they can be funny.

Gee, thanks for finally giving me permission to do what I have been
doing for the past FIVE YEARS. #I really needed it.#

> But over the last 9 nine months, I haven't really been able to tell
> that much about you other than what I'm getting in this thread.

Fault for that does not lie with me.

Perhaps you should read more closely.

> > Also, you are the very last person who should be giving advice
> > about the language that I use. This pseudo-hip slang crap that you
> > throw around makes you sound like an idiot. "Represent"? Gimme
> > a break...you're older than I am! What the hell could you possibly
> > "represent" besides middle-class white people who are ready to
> > give away their freedom in exchange for a false sense of security
> > and an increasingly fascist federal government?
>
> It was a joke. Try to lighten up, all right?

I'll lighten up when you drop the bull***.

> Again who cares?

Apparently we *both* care...at least, enough to keep this conversation
going.

> Have you EVER heard of "tongue in cheek"?!

Have YOU ever heard of "veiled hostility"?

> ..I also grew up with hip-hop and I'll use the slang whenever the
> mood hits.

I have no objection to you doing as you please, but I reserve my right
to point out that it makes you sound foolish.

> Get the stick out of your ass

WIIAAHSWYP?

> and you will see that I'm a fair decent person.

That has yet to be determined. So far, the evidence weighs against it.

> Can honest people disagree and be different without getting personal
> putdowns?

I'm not entirely convinced that you *are* intellectually honest, either
with yourself or with others. You have shown yourself willing to be
deceptive in the past, and that is not encouraging.

> > > You might really be an interesting person if the new recruits could
> > > get to know the you behind the negative cryptic shiite.
> >
> > Funny, I haven't had any problems with any of the new people...
> > except for you, of course. And you have had problems with most

Apologies to the group. Please read "most" as "several".

> > of the people on this newsgroup whose opinions I actually respect
> > as being well thought out and intelligent.
>
> Yeah, you

....and Ray Lee and Neil Krueger, to name a few.

> and Kent Fortenberry.

What gives you the impression that I respect Ken's opinion?

> I've tried to use a little humor with you to not have to go forth as
> "cyber enemies", but you are not receptive to much humor

My sense of humor is drier than most people's. If you were truthfully
interested in knowing anything about me, that's one of the things you
would have learned by now.

> or making amends.

What amends have you offered?

> > You might find me more interesting if you were to stop talking out
> > of your ass. And no, just because I say that doesn't mean that I
> > hate you or am "sore" with you...I just think that you talk too much
> > about things of which you do not show the slightest understanding.
>
> Give an example...

See above re: Contra death squads and wiretaps.

> People like you would rather say something smartass and then feign
> boredom and superiority than argue the merits of an issue.

I don't talk a lot about things that I don't understand, granted...but I
think that humor is far better than arguing for the sake of argument.

I usually don't have to feign the boredom.

> And guess what?...Honest people can disagree!

See above re: honesty.

> <##>..

*blows whistle*

Improper use of the sarcastic mark. Fifteen yards and an automatic
first down.

> That does not mean I want to argue in circles with Ray for a week

All you ever had to do was answer a yes or no question he asked you.
You refused to do that time and time again, and trying to paint it any
other way now is just more deception.

> or do a research thesis for a music group. No one else has to.

More deception. Nobody ever asked you to do such a thing.

> I must have hit a nerve with you somewhere along the line.

Your lack of regard for facts accomplishes that nicely.

> You are really trying to be an ass to me.

No, I'm trying to help you to understand why I say what I say to you.
Perhaps I'm not being as gentle as you might like, but I'm not exactly
renowned for my shyness toward confrontation.

> Offline, I've been told you are a very sensitive person who won't
> let things go!

Somehow, I have trouble believing that.

Even if it *is* true, consider the source. Opinions are not the same
as facts, remember?

> Lord have mercy. I have an eternal cyber enemy named ... The
> Iron Muffin.

Good luck with the whole "eternal cyber enemy" thing.

> > > * Be lucky that you have a great signature.
> >
> > Luck has nothing to do with it.
>
> Ok d00d, have a great rest of the weekend.

OK d00d. You too.

> I have family in town so this will have to be the last of our
> correspondence.

That is convenient, because I will be out of town for the next couple
of days.

> Fight the power, dawg!

Every single day of my life, beeyatch.

> You are so hip to Rmgd.

I'd like to think that it's hip to me, too.

> Someday, I may be down with the program like you.

Decoder rings are only $29.99 plus shipping and handling...

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The Iron Muffin

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