Re: Meaning, Dylan and his commentators

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:54:44 -0700 (PDT), Tif <pasternak32@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Jul 1, 10:09 am, Vesper <tjf...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have done a lot of thinking about MEANING.

I once read a book called "The Meaning of Meaning' and my fourth wife,
the Tantric Buddhist, nearly laughed her big *** off at the title.  I
did not see what was so funny about it.

To me, meaning is the dimensional expansion of a simpler term or
concept.  Here is what I mean.

What does the word "dog" mean?  It means one thing to me and another
to you.  There is no way "dog" can mean the same thing to you that it
means to be because my experience has expanded the dimensionality of
the word to include things other than what yours has.  Follow me so
far?

Easy.


The problem is that we have to communicate sometimes about "dogs" and
to do so we have to be able to abstract from what you mean and from
what I mean and come up with a common denominator.  

Sometimes. At others silence may serve one's purposes better. Trying
to find the common denominator in all circumstances of life may be too
heavy of a weight to shlep around. This ain't always so but a time
may _or has already_ come when it is more useful -to you and hopefully
to some others too- to walk one's own road and not worry too much
about finding the common denominator. This is especially true when
mystical intuitive insights, call them metaphysical if you prefer, but
do refrain from judging everything you don't understand as
psychotic ) .... Let me start again, for the sake of sharing
understanding...

a time may _or for some of us has already_ come, when it is more
useful -to each of us, and hopefully to some others too- to walk
one's own road, explore one's own dimensions, and not worry too much
about finding the common denominator. This is especially true when
mystical intuitive insights are blossoming within and you feel led to
pay attention to their messages and the shifting of meaning. Intuitive
insights run the danger of evaporating ( poofin') whenever you pay too
great attention to the mass consciousness. At least at this time in
history, mass consciousness is simply not light enough to receive,
perceive and accommodate the new coming. Light cannot spread too far
once it gets overly involved in the material dimensions of this world.
It gets swollen up very fast and the bearer of it may suffer. The
suffering will neutralize or deform him/her.


Hence, the word
"dog."

Only Dylan knows what Dylan means by his lyrics.  You can play around
with all your theories about his poetry but you have to understand
that all that you come up with is you, not him.

Yes, Dylan is a catalyst. Will make the good rise in one, and the
not so good as well. One is responsible for the meaning one sees in
life's songs.

What did Dylan mean by ".... forty red, white and blues shoestrings
...?"  Do you have any idea?  I don't and I have been listening to him
and thinking about his material since his first album came out.  I
sometimes think the first was the best .... rofl ...... no retakes, no
nonsense, no pulled punches, just hard hitting blues.

"God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son."  Does that mean the same as in
"Thou shalt not kill?"

So we fine tune it.  1st Degree murder, 2nd Degree murder, Homocide,
Reckless Homocide, Accidental Death, and on and on.  There is even
provision for Justified Homicide.  All of them involve killing but we
expand the concept dimensionally from the abstraction.

Still with you on that one.

 And we all do
it somewhat differently.  Murder to you is not the same as murder to
me.

Same thing can be said about Love. Or even poverty, compassion,
battering and so forth and so on.
Which leads me to continue believing that only ones' own heart will
reveal its truth to us. And from there, try to do the very best we can
for one's highest good. Once you realize all is connected, you start
asking for the highest good of all. Then the difficult part remains:
How do we surrender to our highest good, when we are so intensely
socially programmed not to do this?

My belief is that this generation is presently learning this how to.
Because it is basic to its survival, I trust that it will learn to
before its monstrous ego destroys it.


Enough for one sitting .....

I agree. Time for old dogs like us to do other things.

Tif.

V


I hope that it will. I may not be as optimistic as you are but I see
it happening slowly. I wonder if we have enough time ...

V
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