Re: looters were not criminal

mcisrael@xxxxxxxxx wrote: 
Dancin Beer wrote:


I'm sure there was racist actions in the media because there are racist
there. Still had nothing to do with the response.

But to state because one is poor it's all right to steal is dumb. 


Yes, that is something that is wrong.  The problem is that in our
culture, there is more theft occuring that falls into the catagory of
'white collar' theft that is ignored, passed over or punished with far
less severity than petty theft engaged in by a black man.  We live in a
racist and classist culture.


Bet he'd have a different attitude if it was his stuff being stolen.

Anyway, no one doubts that America has long had a racist attitude
overall. But Blacks are just as guilty as the Chinese, Indians, on and
on. It's built in. Some are worse than others. Anyone that states that
they are not prejudice is simply in denial or lying. I've lived with
Blacks, Indians, Japanese, Latinos.. you name it. We're pretty much all
the same. It's just that White's outnumber the other races in America at
the moment.



We have a very long history of racial bias in this country that has
singled out black people for very specific negative stereotypes that
reinforce themselves through subtle and often unconscious racist
attitudes, including internalized racism experienced by black people.
What is interesting in recent studies of contemporary racism is the
denial that white people engage in when in order to avoid 'feeling
racist', while patterns that reinforce beliefs (that black men are more
violent that white men, that black women are more promiscuous than
white women, that black people are more lazy than white people and
prefer to be taken care of by the 'benign white master', that black
people are less intelligent than white people, etc.) continue in subtle
forms, culturally and psychologically reinforced in our society. This
is what I hear in the post by z in this thread.  Those of you
responding to a different thread should go to that thread and discuss
it rather than trying to obscure the comments made in this one.  There
are indeed people here who have become angry and upset about the fact
that a group of black women and children were stopped at a bridge by a
group of policemen who didn't want to 'have another New Orleans' in
their suburb, but this is not what you are focusing on as a argument
against his post.  You are simply dismissing what z is saying by
calling him a 'troll' and bringing in a completely different post. The
quick response by certain people to deny that they are 'racist' is an
interesting response.  I know I'm not consciously racist, but there are
times when the culture that shaped me causes me to have racist thoughts
and reactions which I have to battle.  This is because I grew up in a
racist society - a wealthy white suburb that actually had a clause in
it's constitution that disallowed black people to move into it until
the Civil Rights movement forced the town to remove it.

http://members.aol.com/neilesl/racism.html


If the shoe was on the other foot it would be no different. 


If the shoe was on the other foot I would be saying the same exact
thing I'm saying now.


I hate racism but I won't tolerate living in a fantasy world and think
by pointing out single instances and stating the entire race is guilty
of being a racist.



It's our culture that is racist.  We participate in the culture, either
as perpetuators of racism or by trying to educate against it and live
accordingly.


Blacks as a race have a long way to go and many of
their problems are self inflicted.



Our culture, our society, has a long way to go. This includes white
people who participate in the perpetuation of racism, often
unconsciously, because we often refuse to see the effects of subtle
forms of racism within our everyday lives.  We, as a society, have
inflicted this onto ourselves.  White people have the priviledges,
black people have the obstacles.

I'm three-quarters white.  The rest of me is 'red' and 'yellow'.  I
grew up in a wealthy suburb.  My brother was a criminal.  He was
violent, committed sexual crimes, and robbery.  When he was caught, the
judge decided to not send him to a prison because he was afraid he
would be abused, so he went to a half-way house.  That would never have
been done for a poor black kid living in the inner-city.  That is what
white priviledge is.

Here are some more links that provide some information of modern
racism, including some papers on how it is institutionalized in the
media, education and the work force:

http://bernard.pitzer.edu/~hfairchi/courses/Fall2000Papers/ModernRacism.htm

http://clinton3.nara.gov/Initiatives/OneAmerica/dovidio.html

http://www.apa.org/ppo/issues/ptestimon.html

http://www.stanford.edu/~hakuta/racial_dynamics/Chapter3.pdf

http://condor.depaul.edu/~mwilson/extra/humor/steoaatv.html

http://www.ivey.uwo.ca/faculty/Dietz-JASP.pdf

http://grove.ufl.edu/~feagin/costs1.htm




Well thanks but I live it first hand. Don't totally agree with everything you say but those are your views as you see them.
My first wife was black so 2 of my kids are mixed. I believe they have a jump on the rest of society because they have the best of both worlds. And they have a very pretty color, hair. the whole deal. My brother also has a son that is half black so we got a pretty good prospective on it.
We grew up in a Black hood and fell in love with very sexy Black girls.
.

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