Re: Effect of new Swedish file-sharing law

On 4 Apr, 15:52, Bob Lombard <thorsteinnos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
bisrob...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On 2 Apr, 19:25, jpjones <justplaynejo...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Apr 2, 1:02 pm, Rugby <steveha...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Internet usage went down------ by almost half !!! :
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/as-swedens-internet-a....
Rugby
Thanks. Interesting. People will come up with something else if
they're denied the mainstream Internet infrastructure. I wonder if
Sweden has an understanding of the privacy issues involved here, and
of the power and ingenuity of the friends. And the justification based
on a "European directive" is laughable. Sweden survived quite well by
itself, without any such directives. How about holding a referendum
where the Swedish people can vote on privacy?

jpj

Dear Mr/Ms Jones,

Being Swedish I have a right to answer this, even if I am sitting on
the other side of the table, so to say.

You ask if we have an understanding of the privacy issues.  Oh yes, we
do.  The IPRED Law says that if a right-holder can prove (not guess,
surmise, suspect, but PROVE) that a certain IP number is using
Internet for illegal purposes, the right-holder can go to a Court of
Law and ask them for a directive that will, if granted, force the ISP
to reveal who is behind that number.  This means that there is no
wholesale revelation of what private individuals are looking at,
communicating etc.  ONLY if they provably commit crimes, they can be
revealed.
If someone stole your car and got caught, would you want him to be
able to hide behind a privacy law???

We have had HUGE debates about the privacy issues, and Sweden has gone
as far as it can to protect the privacy of individuals, considering
what the EU forces us to do.  If they are law-abiding, they are
absolutely protected.

Then the laughable EU directives.  Oh, really???  So you, in a US
State, don't have to obey Federal Law???  Because that's what this
is.  If the EU says jump, we HAVE TO JUMP, basta.  I don't like it, I
wish we weren't part of the EU and its sometimes idiotic rules, but,
since we are, we have to obey the trans-country laws.  Simple.  So we
have the Portuguese voting whether we can have spikes on our  winter
wheels, as it they knew what snow is.  We, on the other hand, have to
actively subsidise tobacco-farming in Greece with our money, while at
the same time spending megabucks to try to dissuade people from
starting or using tobacco.  And the Cucumber Directive... gosh.

Robert

Couple things.

1) As far as I know, 'jpj' does not reside in a U.S. state.

2) Is the EU 'one nation indivisible'? In other words, can Sweden undo
the mistake she made when she joined the EU? If she can, is it not a
matter of democratic choice?

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1) Well, I though he was. My mistake.
2) Since the (extremely small, less than 51%) majority decided that
Sweden join the EU, it wasn't a mistake - it was a majority decision.
There are provisions for leaving the EU, but they have never been
called into action by anyone and it is hardly likely that they ever
will. Maybe it wouldn't even be good, but I am old and old-
fashioned. I don't want Greeks to tell me how to ski, and I for sure
wouldn't take it upon myself to vote in questions regarding olive
farming. Europe is too big, has too many languages, too many and
widely different cultures to be able to keep it up, and already now we
see how the BIG EU countries contravene basically all the economic
rules set up and with impunity, whereas the small countries are being
punished for the same things. No, the thought is perhaps good, but in
practise...

Robert
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