Re: VPO/Mehta/Bruckner - Bell's a Daddy

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mark <markstenroos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Feb 28, 1:32 pm, O <ow...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Frankly, being purposeless might be worse than meaningless.>

Not if that purpose is the purpose as defined by Christianity, whose
purpose is to bow and scrape to god to avoid eternal damnation and to
spend an eternity bowing and scraping to that same god.

You sound pretty angry. Don't you subscribe to the purpose of religion
as giving the masses some moral compass so they're not completely
lawless?


Here's a question for you: what if all I want after this life is utter
and complete nothingness. No heaven and no hell. Just nothing. Does
Christianity allow that as an option? No, it doesn't. When it comes to
after death, you're either with Jeebus or agin' him.

I want to win the Powerball, but no amount of praying will probably
make it happen. Probably be no good for me anyway.


I find that interesting, because that wasn't the standard of Yahweh in
the OT. When Yahweh decided it was time to send the Israelites into
other lands to carry out his maniacal genocide, there was no eternal
suffering waiting for the slaughtered foes. None whatsoever. They were
exterminated and that was that. End of story. End of existence,
corporeal and spiritual.

I kind of subscribe to the theory of Biblical catastrophic events
actually being astronomical catastrophic events, or volcanic explosions
causing plagues, etc.

It was left to gentle Jesus, meek and mild, to conjure up the idea of
eternal hellfire and suffering for those who chose not to follow him.
With Jesus, you cannot avoid an afterlife. You cannot avoid heaven or
hell. Doesn't that make both of them a hell? To spend an eternity in
serfdom doesn't sound like heaven to me.

And all the lyre playing? You think they can teach the lyre to so many
acolytes and they'll all play it good from the get go?

When you look at the basic difference between Christianity and the
Jewish religion, it's the theme of redemption. No matter how bad a
Christian is, they can be forgiven. A Jewish friend of mine said that
the big problem he had with Christianity is that if Hitler repented on
his deathbed, he would go to heaven, regardless of his previous crimes.

And why is heaven a kingdom, with rulers and subjects? Why didn't
Jesus pick democracy/a republic as his model for heaven? Why are there
no votes in heaven? And what is one to make of people who spend their
lives living in a democracy/republic, all the while counting the days
until they croak so that they may spend an eternity in a dictatorship?

And you want to opt out of that? :-)

-Owen
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