Re: Anyone also absolutely love Carlos Kleiber to death?

On Feb 20, 9:40 am, M forever <ms1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



It doesn't really matter what the Italian words as such mean not only
because they are pretty vague anyway, but because by that time, they
had already become codes rather than descriptions. It is more
interesting to investigate what these "codes" mean in a given
historical context, and fortunately, there are many indications such
as these metronome markings, mechanical musical instruments, and a lot
of contextual evidence which shows us that indeed andante was
generally much quicker than what later generations interpreted it to
be. That does correlate to the word meaning "walking" suggesting a
leisure, unhurried, but steady movement but an actual tempo can not be
deducted from the words themselves.
It all makes sense in this context though because 50 isn't really that
fast, and if it is played in a very relaxed way without exaggerating
the heavy parts of the beats but flowing across it, then we have the
musical picture of a quietly flowing stream and all that. I guess
that's why LvB notated it in 12 instead of in 6 or even 3.
I thought the marking was "andante molto motto" but I also found
sources which say "molto mosso". I think the latter is actually
correct but I am not sure.

"Andante molto mosso" is the correct term. I will have to disagree
with you on the meaning of the words not mattering, although I think
you are correct that how the terms have come to be interpreted
historically is perhaps more important. When Bruckner (5th symphony,
second movement) says "Adagio. Sehr Langsam," this can't possibly be
interpreted as an Andante, as Harnoncourt and a few others would have
us believe. So, the meaning of the words does matter in this context.

RK

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