Re: The quest for Toscanini's "real sound"

Michael Schaffer wrote:
(snip)

It's good that you are finally able to admit to that without trying to
excuse or relativizing it. Well, actually you do, again, in a half-
hidden way but I won't hold that against you as I know that is an
automatism really hard to get rid off. But you are heading in the
right direction, finally!

My goodness, I feel like Chris Matthews; your approval sends a tingle up my leg! Oops, sorry, wrong number. Your condescending 'approval' is utterly meaningless to me, except as further evidence of your impossible self regard. An ego like yours doesn't come along too often; the only equivalent I've seen here is our mutual friend Jeffrey. Say......

As for Toscanini's supposed 'hypocrisy', that's surely nonsense. Have
you ANY evidence that AT was aware of Jim Crow or approved of it?

How can he not have been aware of it? Especially as a musician who may
have been a "classical" musician but who no doubt was aware of Jazz -
and he actually conducted Gershwin whose music was obviously heavily
Jazz-influenced. And how can one not be aware of 10% of the population
being legally defined as "racially inferior" and to be "segregated"
from the "superior" population? I think that's pretty much impossible.
Especially since Toscanini was obviously politically interested -
otherwise he wouldn't have had a problem with the Fascists and NS
regime.
10% of the population. That's a vast and very visible amount of
people. 10 times the ration of Jews in Germany in the 30s. Yet
everyone knew how they were treated. So the excuse "oh we didn't know
what was going on" given by some people in Germany after the war is
absolutely ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as claiming that an
educated, worldy, politically interested and aware individual such as
Toscanini didn't know what was going on.bbbb

Well, other than claiming, from the shallows of your vast 'knowledge', that AT *must* have been aware of the racial situation in the US and was therefore a hypocrite, you offer NOTHING: no evidence, no documentation, no gossip, NOTHING. You WANT it to be true, so in your mind it IS true. I hate to break it to you, Michael, but the world doesn't work that way, no matter how much you want it to.

Bob Harper
(snip)
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