Re: Shostakovich 4th Haitink CSO

On Jul 31, 12:11 pm, Gerry <Orches...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 31, 11:33 am, threebs...@xxxxxxx wrote:



On Jul 31, 9:15 am, Gerry <Orches...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jul 31, 12:23 am, Michael Schaffer <ms1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Lawrence Chalmers wrote:
Anyone know the US release date for
this new issue on the Resound label?
Crotchet - Aug.26
hmv.co.jp - August 8 or 10th

I heard that live in Carnegie Hall a few months ago. It was pretty
good, actually, but not really that great. The orchestra played
through the piece well, but the anguish and intensity of expression
better performances convey wasn't there at all.

I can't comment on the Shostakovich, which I didn't hear. But a more
general impression regarding Haitink/CSO is that his concert hall
performances are not translating particularly well to CD. The
intensity that he achieved in Mahler's 6th, in particular, is much
diminished on the CSO recording. Giulini's recordings were often the
same way.

You mean with the CSO? Or in general? Giulini had some wonderful
discs in his late years. I really haven't heard much of Haitink on
disc from his post-Concertgebouw MD years that does much for me. And
I like a lot of his RCO recordings, probably most of them, in fact.

I agree that Giulini produced many fine discs. I'm saying only that he
lost more on disc (with the CSO), than, say Solti, whose performances
tended to have the same intensity on disc and in the hall.

I agree and disagree. Solti's intensity comes across reasonably well--
even in exaggerated ways because of the close-up perspective and
intense high frequencies. But as a result his polish and tonal palette
is distorted, and the result lacks the key mitigating qualities of his
music making (and yes, even "phrasing" as Solti allowed in concert) to
balance out his fierceness.

On the other hand Giulini's essential warmth comes through, as does a
semblance of the tonal palette in such recordings as his EMI Berlioz,
Beethoven, Mahler, and Brahms. The DG recordings are little too craggy
overbearing to represent Giulini's personality well, but overall I
can't say his recordings lost more or less than Solti. Just different
tradeoffs.

--Jeff
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