Re: Bruckner/Mahler diet

On Oct 25, 7:09 pm, "A. Brain" <abr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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[re the low calorie diet]

This is nonsense. If you combine it with adequate cardio, the diet is
not tough and it takes no more time than the low carb, and you keep
the weight off.

It's safe, effective, and you aren't hungry, even
if you may be hungry for certain foods, or
beer with your Mahler.

I have never been hungry on the low cal diet I suggested. I am six
foot one. I have lost weight very rapidly on 1400 - 1800 cals/day,
which should not make anyone hungry. Low carb diets are true
startvation diets, because you are denying yourself nutritionally
adequate levels of important nutrients.

Not really. The low carb diet is really a low sugar diet.
Sugar is not an important nutrient. There are some, like
potassium, that are found in some high carb foods like
bananas, but you can substitute a relatively low-carb
fruit like cantaloupe.

Jesus, you have no idea what you're talking about. Sugars are
absolutely essential nutrients. Without them you would die. Of
course, complex carbs are the best way to get sugars into your system,
for a host of reasons.

Simone's dad made two mistakes, going on the low carb diet and
thinking there was an "afterwards" to dieting. This is why he gained
his the weight back. When you go on a diet to lose weight, plan to
diet *for the rest of your life* (and make your peace with exercising
till you're dead, too). "Diet" is defined as planned (as opposed to
careless, thoughtless) eating. You lose weight on a weight loss diet
and keep it off with a maintenance diet. Both diets are empirical,
that is you experiment to see what foods and calorie levels result in
your losing and maintaining weight. In the case of each diet, this
can take some time, but once you figure it out, you are set to be
normal weight for life (with adjustments in the diets as you age, of
course).

I agree with the above. But I think the low-carb diet is
easier to do, with the quick weight loss relatively painless.
1400-1800 calories a day plus exercise is not that easy.

It's baby simple. If I can do it, anyone can. I have very little
willpower when it comes to food. The trick, among other things, is
eating complex carbs which digest slowly, keep your glucose levels
stable over time, and keep you feeling full.

Once you lose the weight on the low-carb diet, you
can "convert" to the low calorie regime.

No, this is completely, tragically wrong. When you come off the low
carb regime (and you will have to--whereas you will never have to come
off low cal), your body chemistry is very little different from
someone who has been starving; consequently, you will burn calories
very inefficiently to maximize weight gain. Especially if you have
not exercised, your metabolism will not efficiently burn calories.
Brain, there is no royal road to weight loss. Fortunately for you,
the peasant's road is an easy hike. Eat fewer calories and do cardio,
as much cardio as is safe for your state of health. Period. It is
physiologically impossible to reduce weight without reducing
calories. Whether you do it by reducing the calories in your food or
by having your stomach stapled, you must do it to lose weight. It is
the way your body has evolved to consume and process nutrients. At the
same time, the whole *point* to your physiology is to burn calories,
which come primarily from carbs, for energy which does essential work
in your cells, to keep you healthy, build your muscle, fight off
disease, keep you thinking clearly, and so on. You need to keep the
fires stoked with carbs, enough to keep your body chemistry this side
of ketosis, at the very least.

I know you don't believe me now. You're a libertarian, for one.
You're more of an ideology guy than a reality guy. But we'll talk in
five years, if you haven't gone to an early grave like Atkins has. On
your low carb diet, you will have gained all your weight back and
more, I can almost guarantee it. And if you haven't you will have had
an extremely difficult time keeping it off (and most likely will have
resorted to a low cal regime with exercise). So, we'll check back in
October 2012.

In the meantime, you might want to listen to the Historian and have a
look at the before and after pix on his blog. He has lost an AMAZING
amount of weight, and he will be far healthier, thanks to the work
he's done, which I know, without even asking him, has become a
*pleasure* for him, not a burden. And, if he has the modest amt of
willpower necessary (and I have little doubt he does) to stay on a
maintenance diet, he will keep the weight off, easily, his whole life
long. His description of being almost alarmed at the rate at which
his wait came off is typical of people on low cal diets who do cardio
exercise. Your problem is not losing weight, it's losing it too
quickly.


John


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