Re: Barenboim's CSO farewell

tomdeacon wrote:
Bob Harper wrote:
tomdeacon wrote:
(snip)
I have no intention of diminishing Mr. Stucka's abilities, nor his
position, nor his rights as a human being, nor even his person.
(snip)

TD

Tom, you tell us you value honesty. Why, then, tell a bald-faced lie
like this? What you claim not to intend is *precisely* what you are
doing, and it's disgusting.

So, you don't value honesty, Bob.
Nonsense. Your habit of projection isn't going to work, Tom
You wish that I should pass over the
snide, derogatory remarks made about DB by GS.
No; honest dislike. Look, DB may be a genius; certainly on the evidence of his Schumann set and Mahler 7 he's a fine conductor, but that doesn't make him a fine person, and certain of his other actions in recent years raise the suspicion that he can be a real jerk.

Not about to do that.

I have nothing against GS.
Really!? Hard to tell when you're engaging in this kind of character assassination:
> First of all, I hope you take time off to recover from your illness.
> >
> > Secondly, neither you, nor the other "musician" whose words have been
> > quoted by you, make me sanguine about the musical health of this once
> > great orchestra.
> >
> > Thirdly, this is not the place for you, Gary, as a member of the CSO,
> > to air your personal gripes, washing your dirty linen in public, as it
> > were. Your remarks are an embarrassment to the CSO, in my opinion.
> >
> > Now, go away, nurse your "wounds", and return at some future date with
> > a more open and a healthier mind.
> >
> > TD


Only against what he said about DB. If you
feel that is "disgusting", so be it, I certainly cannot stop you from
feeling that way.

But just imagine that you were Daniel Barenboim and that comment was
passed to you as you left and orchestra which he has served for many,
many years. Do you think he would appreciate that comment, Bob?

Depends on whether he can be honest with himself.

Do you think he would value the remark?

He should certainly think about why someone felt it necessary to correct the record by making it.

If you don't, and you don't think it
is deserved, which is my feeling, then it is obligatory to speak out.

Which is your right. What is *not* your right is to speak down to Gary or anyone else as if you were the fons et origo of all wisdom. You know a great deal about recordings, but sometimes you confuse that with omniscience about things of which you are ignorant.

Bob Harper

At least as bad as someone impugning the reputation of Craig Dory.

Just as I have done in the case of Craig Dory.

TD

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