Re: RACHMANINOV


Raymond Hall wrote:
"Michael Schaffer" <ms1000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Raymond Hall wrote:
"Michael Schaffer" <ms1000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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-The correct transliteration is Rakhmaninov. How should I know why so
-many people use a wrong transliteration?

In German yes. As for why you don't know, the answer is clearly evident to
all who deal with you.

Funny, I offered you an explanation model, but you snipped that from
your reply.

You, like the others, have not yet answered WHY the correct spelling is
used
by nearly all review sites and magazines, (except a few American ones like
Fanfare).

You, like the others, cannot give an answer as to WHY the correct spelling
has been used in RMCR for as long as I have been in it. Basically 9 years.

You, like some others, will not accept reality. You, like some others,
cannot accept the correct spelling, in as much as a transliterated name
can
ever be correct.

-Of course it can be correct because there are accepted rules for
-transliteration of foreign languages into other languages.

Precisely. Even you are beginning to learn.

"Precisely"? Now you are directly contradicting yourself.

In fact, Shaffer, you show yourself continually, in almost every aspect,
to
want to appear as the total German buffoon. Guess what? You achieved that
feat many moons ago. Why go around trying to cement the fact?
Any fuss here is being made by you, and the usual suspects. I care not a
jot
what they think, although it appears you seem to want to court some cheap
popularity in their eyes. For your information Shaffer, the "off" ending,
is
used for the weak, the poor, and the backward. Think upon it Shaffer.

-The weak, poor, backward, retarded. Like Rachmaninoff himself. Why does
-the fact that there are spelling variations in other languages and in
-transliterations between them threaten and confuse you so much?

Rakhmaninov was considering those of the country he died in, you total
retard.

So he "considered" the transliteration standards of the US by using the
German transliteration? That makes a lot of sense. BTW, the total
retards who edit Encyclopaedia Britannica also list him under
"Rachmaninoff".

English was never a phonetic language, unlike German, which adds to its
own
difficulty for foreigners. Other languages throw up their own
difficulties,
many of them being FAR more difficult than learning the English and the
German language will ever be. The German language, for example, can throw
three genders at me, and it is here, where one is not quite certain
whether
you exist as a special gender all of your own. Three genders is difficult
enough as it is.

-I am impressed you know that. Not that you can actually speak any
-foreign languages or would ever be able to master any, certainly not
-German. You can't even get my name right. If it is so difficult for you
-to grasp the fact that "sh" is "sch" in German, I can not even begin to
-imagine how difficult it would be for you to actually learn this or any
-other language.

I spell your name, the way you seem to want others to spell Rachmaninov,
with coloured crayons, and easy phonetic references.

What's "easier phonetic reference" about -off vs. ov?

And as I have worked in
Austria for some time, I wouldn't make assumptions about the knowledge other
people have of other languages. I haven't used German for several years, but
it is a basically very simple language to learn. Why, even you learned it
Shaffer. There must, indeed HAS, to be hope for the rest of us, or we might
as well call it quits now.

Of course you don't speak any German or any other language. Your
confusion about the only slight variations in the spellings of Russian
names makes it incredibly unlikely that you could have learned any
language. Funny also that you would say German is easy to learn. Most
foreigners have a really hard time with it because of the tons of
irregular forms and the random genders. But you wouldn't know that.

Fact is, Shaffer, you are a buffoon. Every post you make asserts it.

In fact, you have, basically risen, with the crowd I suspected, (mostly
American), into having great difficulty accepting facts. Ignoring the
facts
is the bog standard technique of debate in RMCR

-The plain and simple fact you have such a hard time accepting is that
-the composer himself used the spelling you say is for "retards, inept,
-weak" etc people only.
-THAT is a fact. And you can't accept it.

I have already stated the *real* facts several times Shaffer, of the common
usage in the English speaking world, and STILL you refuse to answer them, or
accept them. There are some, however, who still require coloured crayons and
help in the pronunciation of foreign words. Most countries don't need them
however. It is really a question of literacy, and there was me thinking that
this group was a highly literate one. Still, the record companies, including
DG, believe in others, and so I suggest you take up your complaints with
them, and the many others.


I don't care one jot, whether people like you, or others, find it easier
to
use the "off" transliteration. Go ahead. Use it. This construction was
meant
for simpletons like you. But it will be filtered out of my news reader.
because, put simply Shaffer, the usage of this construction irritates me.
Nothing more, and nothing less. It is a spelling that panders to the weak,
the poorly educated, and the inept.

-Again, Rachmaninoff himself "weak, inept, poorly educated"? Interesting
-judgment from somebody like you. If you don't even take him seriously,
-why are you interested in a "discussion" about the spelling of his
-name?

I never said Rachmaninov was "weak, inept, and poorly educated". Your
reading comprehension is absolutely woeful.


-That's right I remember now - because you thought there was an
-opportunity for you to prove your superior knowledge and patronize all
-the other "retards". You were wrong. What do you in your remote corner
-of the world know about all these "cultural" things anyway?

We have forgotten more than you will ever know Shaffer about things
"cultural". Your culture enshrined Nazi Art, and that is precisely what you
were reared on.

I had been wondering for a while when you would take refuge in the Nazi
insult. People usually do that when they run out of arguments. You held
out quite long actually.
Since you claim to have spent some time in the German speaking area
(although, as it is very obvious, you didn't understand anything of
what was going on around you), you should have noticed that people of
my generation weren't raised in "enshrined Nazi culture" (whatever that
may be), but in a culture of tireless education about the past.

Persist all you wish Shaffer, but I am as of now, quitting this thread. Your
are, put simply, a tiresome buffoon.

Ray H
Taree

Please quit this ng altogether - with all the many, many retards here
who refused to be enlightened by your nonsense there is no reason for
you to visit again, and you don't have anything of value to say about
music either. Bye.

.

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