Re: RACHMANINOV


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Then I fully assume you will be contacting DG on Lang Lang's new 2nd
effort. Not that I would ever think of buying it. But why not put your
money where your mouth is?

WTF are you talkin about?

Look at the cover on Lang Lang's new Rach 2nd piano concerto recording.
Note
the way it is spelled. Note the way it is spelled on VIRTUALLY all major
record labels in the English speaking parts of the world.

Now, work it out. Assuming you can. Get irate with DG of course.


He spelled his own name "transliterated" as he did, for simpletons.
Like
you.

..or perhaps to outrage pedantic, literalist twits, like you.

At least I have something to be pedantic about. At least I have something
to
be literalist about. After all, it is only some composer's generally, and
widely used, name. And, at least, I have never persisted like many here,
in
pointing out simple typos.

As for Shaffer, well, he is a lost cause anyway.


Ray H
Taree

At least I know how Russian words and names are properly transliterated
and pronounced. But I don't really care. "Rachmaninov" does not offend
me, although it is actually wrong, both from the point of view of what
the composer preferred, and of how Russian names are correctly
transliterated into English. But you don't understand these things,
that's why you made such a big fuss about them and called people
"retards" who simply know better than you.
There is nothing pedantic or literalist about your rantings. It is
simply that you don't understand what you are talking about. Common
usage does not make things "right". It is still "nuclear" although many
Americans, including the chieftain, think it's "nucular".
Me asking about what could or could not have been a typo because I am
actually interested in learning more about foreign languages - unlike
you, who is simply freaked out and apparently feels threatened by such
things, you can't even get yourself to try and spell foreign names
right - has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
There is absolutely no connection at all.
Except how you cling to that shows us how completely pointless your
argument here is, not just the argument with me, but with many other
posters here you tried and failed to educate you about the
"Rachmaninoff" thing. Hey, but at least we all tried. It's nobody's
fault here you are just a xenophobic hick.

Shaffer yet again. Cannot shut up. On and on and on like the old woman he
is.

You, like the others, have not yes answered WHY nearly all the major record
labels use the correct English transliterated spelling (or more exactly, the
usage that is commonly accepted as the correct spelling).

The correct transliteration is Rakhmaninov. How should I know why so
many people use a wrong transliteration?

You, like the others, have not yet answered WHY the correct spelling is used
by nearly all review sites and magazines, (except a few American ones like
Fanfare).

You, like the others, cannot give an answer as to WHY the correct spelling
has been used in RMCR for as long as I have been in it. Basically 9 years.

You, like some others, will not accept reality. You, like some others,
cannot accept the correct spelling, in as much as a transliterated name can
ever be correct.

Of course it can be correct because there are accepted rules for
transliteration of foreign languages into other languages. There may be
various systems and variations. AFAIK, both American and British
standards now use "kh" and "ch" for the respective letters х and ч.
Maybe there were different conventions at one time (it seems possible
that "ch" was at some point used for х, that would explain why the
variation "tch" for ч is often seen in names such as "Tchaikovsky").
But that still doesn't change the fact that the composer himself
spelled his name "Rachmaninoff", apparently because he introduced his
name to the Western world in the German transliteration and stuck with
it.

In fact, Shaffer, you show yourself continually, in almost every aspect, to
want to appear as the total German buffoon. Guess what? You achieved that
feat many moons ago. Why go around trying to cement the fact?

At least this buffoon here speaks your language. You don't speak mine,
or any other.

Any fuss here is being made by you, and the usual suspects. I care not a jot
what they think, although it appears you seem to want to court some cheap
popularity in their eyes. For your information Shaffer, the "off" ending, is
used for the weak, the poor, and the backward. Think upon it Shaffer.

The weak, poor, backward, retarded. Like Rachmaninoff himself. Why does
the fact that there are spelling variations in other languages and in
transliterations between them threaten and confuse you so much?

English was never a phonetic language, unlike German, which adds to its own
difficulty for foreigners. Other languages throw up their own difficulties,
many of them being FAR more difficult than learning the English and the
German language will ever be. The German language, for example, can throw
three genders at me, and it is here, where one is not quite certain whether
you exist as a special gender all of your own. Three genders is difficult
enough as it is.

I am impressed you know that. Not that you can actually speak any
foreign languages or would ever be able to master any, certainly not
German. You can't even get my name right. If it is so difficult for you
to grasp the fact that "sh" is "sch" in German, I can not even begin to
imagine how difficult it would be for you to actually learn this or any
other language.

Fact is, Shaffer, you are a buffoon. Every post you make asserts it.

In fact, you have, basically risen, with the crowd I suspected, (mostly
American), into having great difficulty accepting facts. Ignoring the facts
is the bog standard technique of debate in RMCR

The plain and simple fact you have such a hard time accepting is that
the composer himself used the spelling you say is for "retards, inept,
weak" etc people only.
THAT is a fact. And you can't accept it.

I don't care one jot, whether people like you, or others, find it easier to
use the "off" transliteration. Go ahead. Use it. This construction was meant
for simpletons like you. But it will be filtered out of my news reader.
because, put simply Shaffer, the usage of this construction irritates me.
Nothing more, and nothing less. It is a spelling that panders to the weak,
the poorly educated, and the inept.

Again, Rachmaninoff himself "weak, inept, poorly educated"? Interesting
judgment from somebody like you. If you don't even take him seriously,
why are you interested in a "discussion" about the spelling of his
name?
That's right I remember now - because you thought there was an
opportunity for you to prove your superior knowledge and patronize all
the other "retards". You were wrong. What do you in your remote corner
of the world know about all these "cultural" things anyway?

In short, the fuss is not being made by myself, but, yet once again, by you
especially. I could, of course, refuse to participate in the thread ever
again.

Good idea. Then you, with the others, can enjoy a spot of buffoonery and
frolicking fun, all to your very own selves.

It is just too much fun to see how you got yourself into a corner and
can't admit you were wrong and didn't understand what is going on with
that spelling.
The spelling itself is a nice detail about the cosmopolitan composer
and his career that led him through many different cultures, nothing
more or less.

Ray H
Taree

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