Re: Classical Music, NPR, and Left


"O" <owenxremovexs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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In article <Tz0Vf.30433$zr.13394@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Ian Pace
<ian@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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In article <200603240906458930-sechumlib@liberalnet>, sechumlib
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On 2006-03-24 08:47:26 -0500, O <owenxremovexs@xxxxxxxxx> said:

In article <_LIUf.6502$g76.2948@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Ian Pace
<ian@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

There's another level of arrogance (as mentioned below) - American
foreign policies, society, culture, etc., are not universally
accepted
as such (especially not by Europeans, who overall tend to value
different social/political/cultural models more) so there is a
rearguard defensive disdain in the US for those who don't accept
American superiority.

I don't accept it.

Ergo, you disdain the US. Yet, you complain that people in the US
disdain France and Germany?

There's another piece of amazing "logic". I don't accept many
right-wing positions; therefore (ergo), I "disdain the US."

Well, I wasn't responding to you, but to Mr. Pace, who, if you read
closely says that "for those who don't accept American superiority,"
"there is a rearguard defensive disdain." Then he says that he doesn't
accept it. Does that not logically figure from his words? Is that
"logic" so "amazing?"

The 'logic' that is presented suggests that 'I don't accept that the US
is
superior to Europe (or superior to all other societies in the world)' =
'I
disdain the US'. Spurious logic, to say the least.


It's your words. Do you disdain the US or don't you?

It makes no sense to disdain a whole country, especially one so large as the
US. I could tell you my thoughts on successive US administrations, on many
aspects of US culture (some of which I'm extremely fond of), on the role of
the corporations and commercialism generally as affects the political
culture and wider society, and so on and so forth. But that's not the same
as 'disdaining the US' or not doing so.

I can't
understand any other significance to the meaning of what you wrote
above. Perhaps you could explain to me what you were actually trying
to say?

In very simple terms I was saying that there are those in the US who think
it's the finest society in the world and that others should try and be more
like it. There are plenty of people in Europe who don't agree with this and
value more the social democratic model that is found in a lot of Western
European countries (the UK is something of a half-way house). But this leads
to some of the 'US is the best'-ers turning very hostile towards all things
and people European, then indulging in arrogant and xenophobic stereotypes
and crass generalisations accordingly. And we've seen a fair bit of that
from time to time here on r.m.c.r.

We can agree that you don't accept US superiority. Thus, you must be
part of this rearguard disdain, else why would you even relate it?
Of course, I may have completely misunderstood.

The phrase I used was 'a rearguard defensive disdain IN THE US'! Directed
towards those who don't accept US superiority. And I was simply pointing out
that I am one of that latter category.

Ian


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