Re: Why do you like Mozart's music?


Ian Pace wrote:

> >> Where did I ever say it was a direct representation of speeach
> >> patterns?
> >
> > You talk about speech here:
> >
> >> I didn't say music his music imitated speeach in exact ways. But the
> >> connection with language of the tone and phrase structure of a lot of
> >> his music is very obvious and striking.
>
> Saying there is a connection is not the same is saying it's a direct
> representation.

That was - pardon - a bad paste job by me, I meant to quote something
else. That obviously just pretty much repeats the question. (I'm
trying to not spend all day at this, so I post without reading most
things I post :) -- sorry, unavoidable.)

The next quote by MS was the more relevant one (where he talks directly
about phrase structure in German, and his somewhat unfortunately chosen
example (unfortunate, if illustration of that is the point)).

> > Not such a direct connection, necessarily. Songs are frequently in
> > strongly patterned musical forms whose original main use may not be
> > language/speech but something else (movement); and the needs of
> > that something else override words.
>
> It seems something of an 'either/or' opposition that you're setting up. A
> song created with no reference whatsoever to the properties of the language
> would surely sound hopelessly arcane. Just because song makes use of highly
> stylised uses of language doesn't mean it's completely independent of the
> language in question.

I'm not like inflexible with this.

With art music, and some "folk" music, there can be all kinds of
connections. (There can also be all sorts of connections between
statistical patterns in language/music, but I don't know if it's useful
to speculate here, right now...)

But with many pieces of such music, I believe there's not necessarily
much serious language component at all. Words are chosen to fit a
rhythmic scheme, more than vice versa. Especially when a connection
with movement/dance is present.

Lena

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