Re: Q: Why is this 9/11 anniversary different from all other 9/11 anniversaries?



On Sep 16, 6:47 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Shrines that I've been to don't include strip joints.  Now you can go ahead
and expand and contract the definition to suit your own prejudices of the
moment, I don't care, but YOU don't get to define what America is and what
constitutes hating it.  In my admittedly narrow view, I would think
following the Constitution plays a significant role, but what do I know?-

On Sep 16, 7:04 pm, topaz <topazgal...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I believe that the Seattle cartoonist, the South Park cartoonists,
Ayaan Hirsi Ali are all having their First Amendment rights threatened
since they have received death threats for voicing their opinions.
(see post I just made). Do you think it is OK that they received death
threats? I don't.  People across the political spectrum should be
speaking out for their  freedom of speech.



On Sep 17, 8:52 am, John Doherty <j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 You are being dishonest in this argument, probably lying to yourself.


On Sep 17, 7:24 pm, topaz <topazgal...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I do not know if there is a misunderstanding here or if it is the
way   my post is on your computer. It is simple:   cartoonists and
others should have freedom of speech.  

As a cartoonist, I think I have as much stake in this as you, no? But
what does this have to with encroaching on moderate muslims' right to
freedom of worship? Because lunatics at the far end of their
religious expression threaten cartoonists, how do you get to
justifying an attack on the moderates freedom of religion?

Islamist death threats are a
way of trying to silence that free speech.  I feel such threats should
be prosecuted  although I am under the imrpression that they are not.

Where and when are they not prosecuted? The threats are usually
delivered anonymously. Anyone threatening another's well being for
freedom of expression should be liable for prosecution.



You take these examples of radical violent Islam, and then drape them
around the neck of peaceful non-violent muslims who wish only to
worship in one part of their community center.

I am highly critical of Islamist doctrine, as you should be if you
value your freedoms.  I am not criticising all Muslims.   You say
"peaceful non-violent Muslims who wish only to worship in one part of
their community center."  Again, truly understanding peace seeking
Muslims would not mind moving the building that has the mosque, see
the article "Mishchief in Manhattan" I have posted elsewhere.

Right. And "good jews" shouldn't object to wearing a sewn on star of
david under the third reich eaither, eh? You can't have freedom of
religion with an asterisk attached, explaining that freedom is
available a few blocks over for one group under attack.

That's like "kind of pregnant"; either they are or are not free to
practice their religion. You advocate the latter.

It was
written by liberal Muslims. I agree with them.

William F. Buckley of all people once pointed out that if a people
willingly vote to elect a tyrant who takes away their democracy, they
are still lacking in that freedom. Because some muslims sign on for
this does not make it OK.

Do we take the sins of Tim McVeigh and hold all Christian churches
responsible?  How about Eric Rudolph and the abortion sniper assassin?
Why don't we ban Christian churches because they should also be held
to the worst sins of their most extremist followers?

Again if you have read the Koran and the Hadiths of Islam you would
understand that unfortunately,   the war like doctrine that Al Quaida
and Hamas have shown to the world    correlates very well with Islam
and with what Mohammad preached.

So you are against moderate muslims, just because of their holy
texts?

   Tim McVeigh and  those who kill
abortion doctors are  going directly against what Jesus preached
IMO.

So did George Bush, FWIW. What would Jesus think of preemptive
strikes?

When Fatts breathlessly links to Osama bin Laden's latest jihadi
message, she thinks it's a big "Aha!" moment: she's opening the eyes
of we sleeping masses who are not aware of the agenda all these
muslims hold dear but only he puts into print.

Thanks, but no thanks. I ain't buying your Bucket o' Fear. By the way,
Colbert is organizing a March on Washington to "Keep Fear Alive!" You
might want to get in on that.

Colbert is a comedian as you know.

Colbert is a satirist, like Mark Twain. His brave and brilliant
Washington Press Club appearance in 2006 was the turning point of the
public understanding that the Emperor had no clothes. To the people in
the room, "he bombed"; to the countless hordes who saw it on youtube,
he spoke "truth to power" in a way the sycophant press couldn't see.

 Of course he has silly ideas, marches etc as a form of satire.  

You really are missing something in Colbert.

Burying  our heads in the sand and
pretending that Islam really means peace will not solve anything
either.    Truth and knowledge of what the Koran and Hadiths really
say   can only be of benefit.

And targeting a religious group for persecution is not very American.

Every religion holds ideas that are crazy or odd to the unbeliever.
It's those who are violent who should pay for it, not the mellow
members on the other end of their spectrum.

Mencken said "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but in the
same way that we respect his conviction that his wife is beautiful and
his children are intelligent."

Tolerance to the point of suicide just is silly.

This statement is silly, and a false construct.

 Islam's purist
doctrine of jihad against the infidel,  and subjugation of the People
of the Book  should not be ignored  epecially when combined with a
liberal immigration policy, many jihadist websites,  and changing
demographics.   The quote you stated: "We must respect the other
fellow's religion "  does that mean   we must obey their every whim
even in our own country?  I would say NO.  If someone else's religion
includes wife beating, marrying off  daughters who are way too young
against their will, and violent discrimination against nonMuslims  I
do not think in modern society we are obligated to obey that
especially in  a Democratic country. And what if the other persons'
religion dictates that apostates be killed?

This is ridiculous, preposterous alarmism and mean spirited fear
peddling. You are starting to believe your own hysteria, and it's
shameful. Americans should be better than this.

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