Re: OT: The war on women

On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:36:48 -0600, Dale Houstman <dmh7@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

RichL wrote:
Mack A. Damia <mybaconbutty@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:24:35 -0500, "RichL" <rpleavitt@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Mack A. Damia <mybaconbutty@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:32:41 -0800 (PST), topaz
<topazgalaxy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Nov 27, 1:27 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:15:54 +0000, Lizz Holmans
<di...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
And I'm a Murrah Building survivor--a first responder that has
not been able to work as a nurse since.
You're a bullshitter. Don't you think we know this by now?
Way off base. Don't you think those of us who have been here for
years would know this by now?
I agree with RichL on this one. I do not know Liz well but I would
rather give people the benefit of the doubt . If Liz says she was a
nurse at that terrible disaster, than why not believe her?
Too conventient, and this is the first time anyone has known about
it. How many years has it been?
I tried to tell you before that it's not the first time it's come up
here. Posted in 2007:

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/browse_thread/thread/8
d1e80c11f13a3bc/4dbe07f3aaffa5e7?lnk=gst&q=lizz+oklahoma+city#4dbe07f3aa
ffa5e7>

A direct reference to her actions on that day, posted in 2004:

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/browse_thread/thread/d
5018cb2ba650f6e/f5a4d7bbe6d8c6ae?lnk=gst&q=lizz+oklahoma+city+bombing#f5
a4d7bbe6d8c6ae>

More discussion of Lizz's involvement, posted back in 2001:

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/browse_thread/thread/d
ea507aa1a9d15b2/55f2ecba0ddea2fd?lnk=gst&q=lizz+oklahoma+city#55f2ecba0d
dea2fd>

Lizz discussing the OK city bombing back in 1999:

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.beatles/browse_thread/thread/6

38e0ad1734ee0f/befd9eef10bda1a9?lnk=gst&q=lizz+oklahoma+city#befd9eef10b
da1a9>

Convinced yet? If not, you're deliberately being obtuse and nursing
a grudge.
No, not obtuse nor nursing a grudge.

I'm very skeptical, that's all.

OK, but you seem *particularly* skeptical about her.

And there are plenty more where those come from.
Really doesn't prove she was a first responder. Doesn't prove
anything except she wrote something down.

Listen, Rich, I can tell you with absolute veracity that I was near
Bernie Goetz when he shot those punks on the NYC subway back in the
1980s.

Now, if you take that claim and others with face value, you may be
eventually disillusioned. The fact is that I was in another subway
train at the moment of the shooting very "near" to the the train where
it actually occurred. We were stopped for an hour near Jay
Street/Borough Hall while the cops sorted the mess out

Granted, I guess I have a tendency to take people at face value unless
they demonstrate that they can't be trusted. Anyone can claim anything,
sure. The thing about Lizz's story is that it's *consistent* with
everything else she's made known about herself.
I have to question anybody who repeatedly puts themselves above others
or at the center of attention, and she seems to do this.

I don't see her doing that at all, really. She simply has a rather
unique and sometimes provocative posting style.


I don't know how a person who only occasionally posts can be
characterized as "repeatedly" putting herself above others or at the
center of attention. I've always enjoyed Lizz' posts: she has a nice
sense of humor, and (unlike Fatts and topaz) appears to be able to think.

dmh

First thing that jumped out was her assertion that her IQ was measured
in a controlled test at 186. She made this assertion in a
conversation about Mensa long before I posted here. The tone of the
post was very condescending, too.

Impossible, and I'm sorry that you can't read between the lines. She
demonstrated to me (at least) that she, "can't be trusted" (Rich's
words).

Everything else Mark Fuhrman said was suspect too, see?

YMMV









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